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  2. Endo - slight dig at Miura?

    in Japanese Golf Clubs

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    Miura does not Forge their own heads or finish their own heads.   I've been saying this for a decade.   TADA mfg does their forging and Kyoshin does their finishing. They are 2 piece spin welded heads.  The reason is not tolerance but it is price.  making a 2-D mold ( spin welded ) is far cheaper than a 3-D mold.  They are not the only ones who do this.  Shin-Nihon also does spin welded.  I've been to Tada mfg and they have told me in person they forge for Miura.  I also have their business registration for their foundry that shows Miura does not own it although they have said so in the past.  Tada mfg uses a small press.

    ENDO on the other hand is a legit foundry.  I would not even consider the two in the same class.  Keep in mind we pretty much created the new EPON,  they still use the logo and model naming we created for them in  2005/2006.   They use giant Enamoto presses and they have so many capabilities that Miura will never have, this press would not even fit in the Miura factory.

    FYI - I have designed for both companies.  

    Keep in mind we no longer  sell both brands.  I have no bias and think both companies are watered down and lack soul.  

    club masters who carve molds can spot the difference visually with 2 piece forgings.  Its rather snobby but across the board I can tell you that if you take 1 piece vs 2 piece in the EXACT same design 1 piece will tend to feel softer.  

    I believe both Titlist and Taylormade stopped using Miura once they figured out the heads were spin welded.

    Also worth noting is that Endo does not grind they are mold/polish,   Miura kinda does but it's mostly polishing to shape.  KYOEI grinds.

    Here is my bias - KYOEI.  They forge, grind, finish and do all steps in house.  Epon and ENDO are not capable of all steps in house.  While KYOEI  is the least powerful due to management they are the true history of club forging in Japan.

    I dont like when people say Miura Forged or Fujimoto Forged because neither of them actually forge.   

    All that garble I just said doesn't really matter,  thats just insider info.  So much falls in the hands of the player and their preference and specs, design, shaft etc..

     

     

  8. Orion Closer

    in Japanese Golf Clubs

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    hi blake! cb is on the demanding side,  has a hint of offset.

     

    fit and finish (polishing) on these is a hair better than Miura and Epon.

    Oichi forgings sent to Shinagawas son for the grind.  Kyoshin finished (same as miura ) but extra step of niigata polishing.

    You can get custom finishes,  combo set too!  we know them well.

     

  9. No More Yoro's

    in Japanese Golf Clubs

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    There is confusion about where the latest models are made.  I'm not 100% myself.

     I think the 1 piece models are still made in Japan or at least partly made in Japan.  But if this was the case they could still keep custom grinds and stamping alive. 

    So maybe it was just a pain in the ass to keep this custom dept open with such little sales.

    Mizuno has changed their distribution model a lot recently,  focusing on Mizuno Pro dealers and big box stores.   We can't get the pro series.  

    As skyline has said all the new Mizuno Pro models are part of Yoro but not offering grinds and stamping adjustments.

  10. No More Yoro's

    in Japanese Golf Clubs

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    On 4/27/2020 at 12:22 PM, 604_skyline said:

    How come the latter "mizuno pro" irons from the last couple years were never available via the yoro program? It appears you can get a different finish on the mizuno pro 120, but not the ability to change stamping or grinds.

    .I am talking the mizuno pro 118 and the mizuno pro 120 with regards to them never being made available via yoro....seems like this was a foreshadow and once the remaining stock of the mp series was depleted that was the end of the yoro program.....

     

    Yoro now means custom shafts and build specs, and in some models custom finish.

    Before when Yoro was only made of the hand made models it was for custom finish, stamp, and grinds.

    Majority of Mizuno irons are made in China now.   

     

    15 hours ago, parputt said:

    Chris are you going to try and grab a few sets for the pro shop?

     

    No they are done.  not sold anymore.  

     

  11. Miura Giken TB-ZERO 99.3% Pure Fe Limited

    in Japanese Golf Clubs

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    I don't want people to mix up Iron content with carbon content. 

    1025 Steel has Iron content of 99.03-99.48%

    FE is within the same range of Iron content but has a lower carbon content.

    FE steel's main selling point is not for the consumer.  It's for the factory or foundry.

    Lower carbon = softer metal = the ability to use a small 800ton press to forge it.

    S-15C steel with low heat treatment is useless in golf.  S15C with high heat treatment is the same as S-25C with lower heat treatment with a higher pressure machine.

    The most stable material is JIS S25C. 

    Take an FE steel iron to a range with matt's.  In no time the lie's and loft are bent out of whack due to it's low carbon content.

    So what they do is heat treat the FE to be harder.  

    Now the difference between S25C JIS vs 1025 AISI is that the metal has been verified by an official JIS office to be within Japan's tighter tolerances and requirements.

    There are only 26 JIS authorizing offices.  All but 2-3 are located inside Japan.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

  19. Anybody Purchase MG TB•Zero Yet?

    in Japanese Golf Clubs

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    On 4/12/2020 at 9:03 AM, EaglesGolf99 said:

    I'm looking at a Baby Blade / CB•57 inspired set of TB•Zero, 5-P and P / S.

     

    Oh yeah. Anybody with the P / S ? Very interested on thoughts on that particular club. 

    I would avoid the legacy Miura's and stick with newer models.

    MB-5003 / TB-Zero are the best shaped short irons they have.   MB-101 is MB-5003 so those are fine.  

    TB-Zero has the best shaped short irons other than the Callaway APEX MB which is the MB-5003 adjusted.

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    That said there are many equal to better blades on the market that are not spin welded.  CGS Orion at a similar price point but with softer feel,  better short irons, better polishing and imo better shape.

    Ah, I remember those days when Miura cost 95 bucks a head.  Now you get to pay for their marketing and facilities at $280 a club.

    Same with Epon,  950 4-PW shafted! 

     

     

     

     

  21. Anybody Purchase MG TB•Zero Yet?

    in Japanese Golf Clubs

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    On 4/9/2020 at 6:16 PM, supo said:

    8-9-pw same face progression @ 5 hmm interesting........

    might be a new thing for them  FINALLY getting rid of that f horrirble  squared off angulated  gooseneck in the scoring irons. ESPECIALLY the pw.

     they do look sensational in pics for sure but id have to see the head in hand to make a decision , just   cant  go back  to  MIURA  anymore , that   neck line just irks the bejesssssssus outtta me.

    ANY  miura PW is right up there with the awfulest iron  in golf  as equally as  the  2.....  especially the 2   and   3-4-5 are the most beautiful.

    THIS!

    And I can't believe people dont see it.   Miura has beautiful long and mid irons but their 8/9/PW have a chunky look where the neck meets the top line.  

  25. SEVEN NEO PUTTER

    in Japanese Golf Clubs

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    I am no expert but I expect a 25+% decrease in U.S GDP and unemployment reaching 12+% in the USA.   

    Q3/Q4 will be interesting for the market.   What is happening today @ (23k dow) isn't reality.

    Consider the inflation around the corner and the low rates.

    Consider the amount of cash we are printing, handouts, debt

    A possible wave of defaults is on the way.

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    Travel & hospitality stocks are taking a beating. I will place a very stop order when they hit record record lows:

    DELTA
    HERTZ
    NEWEL
    TRIP ADVISOR 

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    And how we deal with China is very important.   

     

     

     

     

     

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