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well this is my last hurrah, i just cant hit utilites immaculate, used sparingly top of the top of the highest tree in quality terms i cant begin to say how good these PROBABLY are, wel lthey are for my palying partner, which is why i bought them. i just cant hit utes..end of chat. not a mark on them i think ive used them no more than 3 times and i doubt even that. they are incredibly solid , heavyish clubs. the shaft is the top . doesnt play real stiff,just fine. 24* with roddio pentacross i8 stiff 21* with roddio pentacross i8 stiff--------------------SOLD--------------------- 21 * with KBS tour 90 s steel---------------------------SOLD------------------------ paypal EMS shipped $300 each with the roddios or $ 175 the KBS you want a solid hybrid look No further.