+TourSpecGolfer Posted January 31, 2017 Report Share Posted January 31, 2017 Expect a lot of new from SEVEN coming soon. This is our new VS-R Putter. SM490A but this time we used process we call Pure Tempered Heat Treatment where we heat the raw material to 850* degrees for 3-4 hours then bring the heat down to 500* in a vacuum atmosphere. This putter is made 100% in Japan using only Japanese SM490A It's got very subtly notch back bumpers and a shape somewhat newport 2'ish. We did a lot of testing using high speed camera's and fitting software to analyze what face milling does to a putters roll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mjr. D Posted January 31, 2017 Report Share Posted January 31, 2017 Very nice! Price and does it come in black finishes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nobmontana Posted January 31, 2017 Report Share Posted January 31, 2017 Sweet! Curious to know. What is the purpose of the additional heat treatment in this case? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuck4golf Posted January 31, 2017 Report Share Posted January 31, 2017 Fabulous looking. I am sure it feels and rolls beautifully, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+TourSpecGolfer Posted January 31, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2017 1 hour ago, Mjr. D said: Very nice! Price and does it come in black finishes? Yes black is here! 550 is retail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiromikey Posted January 31, 2017 Report Share Posted January 31, 2017 Wow on that black!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smstef Posted January 31, 2017 Report Share Posted January 31, 2017 Ok , so now just explain us the goal and effect of this heating treatment , just quick personnal point of view of the feel and roll and i will place my order , sure it will be great with my black dogatti :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supo Posted January 31, 2017 Report Share Posted January 31, 2017 dogatti in this wud look sweet! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiromikey Posted February 1, 2017 Report Share Posted February 1, 2017 Chris, any chance you'll share with us some of the data collected with your fitting software and high speed cameras? I'd LOVE to see that kind of stuff!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+TourSpecGolfer Posted February 1, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2017 20 hours ago, nobmontana said: Sweet! Curious to know. What is the purpose of the additional heat treatment in this case? To be honest it's hard to differentiate any change. It's a slightly different sound/feel that is more dense with less click. We did not like the heat treatment on the deep face milling design as it was too soft or almost carbon like. With our new face milling which has more surface area the ball touches it naturally firms things us so combined with heat treatment it balanced out really well. We felt it gave SM490A the feel we wanted. It's something different that hopefully will evolve into us trying other things. It costs me an extra 700 bucks and a couple of weeks to do this method of heat treatment on these heads. On irons & wedges it was a more noticeable improvement and for sure we will be doing it on our next releases. 15 hours ago, chiromikey said: Chris, any chance you'll share with us some of the data collected with your fitting software and high speed cameras? I'd LOVE to see that kind of stuff!!!!!!!! I'm very casual, we had our club maker take these to various shops that had putting studio's to test them against popular brands. Here's the thing we learned, face milling matters more for feel. In regards to roll just about all the different face designs we had tested had a similar result compared with our own. So we used our new face milling to control the feel more than control the roll. Another thing we noticed is that someone who doesn't putt as well may have more of a benefit with deeper mills vs the better player who can have the same result from using a flat face with no milling. Face milling also reduces side spin but in putting I can't say this is a good thing or not. Yes you want your putts to roll straighter but that's going to happen with a good stroke. Like a blade you want an anser putter to be workable you want a reliable break pattern on the greens. I can't back this up but it seemed to me that a deep and complex face mill had the possibility to create more variables between two identical rolls. My favorite in all areas was a Swedish stainless steel prototype with zero mill marks and no finish. I call it the perfect click. This bar none is the best stainless steel in the world. DASS & GSS are marketing. When Sasaya sent GSS to the lab it was identical to JIS 303. When he sent DASS the result was the same ( I assume DASS is heat treated or aged? ) SM490A is different. I have always loved this material and wonder why other brands don't adopt it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+TourSpecGolfer Posted February 6, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2017 In full nicr satin with trans blue ink. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bngolfer Posted February 6, 2017 Report Share Posted February 6, 2017 On 2017-02-01 at 4:49 PM, TourSpecGolfer said: My favorite in all areas was a Swedish stainless steel prototype with zero mill marks and no finish. I call it the perfect click. This bar none is the best stainless steel in the world. DASS & GSS are marketing. When Sasaya sent GSS to the lab it was identical to JIS 303. When he sent DASS the result was the same ( I assume DASS is heat treated or aged? ) SM490A is different. I have always loved this material and wonder why other brands don't adopt it. Swedish stainless steel proto? Being Swedish, I know we are pretty good with stainless, but I did not know of a stainless Swedish putter proto. More info on it would be great! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkkgolfer Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 Will there be any lefty in black? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregoire56 Posted February 8, 2017 Report Share Posted February 8, 2017 i was already curious about what SEVEN would be coming out with for 2017 but after seeing this now i'm very excited for the rest. i'll def be adding one of these 2017 putters with new steel and face mill to my bag, it just remains to be seen whether or not it'll be this one.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+TourSpecGolfer Posted February 9, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2017 On 2/6/2017 at 2:27 PM, bngolfer said: Swedish stainless steel proto? Being Swedish, I know we are pretty good with stainless, but I did not know of a stainless Swedish putter proto. More info on it would be great! It's called sandvik stainless steel and it's supposed to be the best. RomaRo made a few expensive putters with it years ago but did a poor job educating people about the material itself. i bought enough material to produce 10 putters. shipping the metal was the expensive from Sweden to Japan. I'm going with no face milling, perfectly flat so the owners can get full metal vibration. no finish as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+TourSpecGolfer Posted February 9, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2017 Here's a photo of the VS-R's face in black Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bngolfer Posted February 9, 2017 Report Share Posted February 9, 2017 (edited) 23 minutes ago, TourSpecGolfer said: It's called sandvik stainless steel and it's supposed to be the best. RomaRo made a few expensive putters with it years ago but did a poor job educating people about the material itself. i bought enough material to produce 10 putters. shipping the metal was the expensive from Sweden to Japan. I'm going with no face milling, perfectly flat so the owners can get full metal vibration. no finish as well. So please hold one of them for me Chris! Sandviken, the town where Sandvik comes from, is 1.5h north of my town and Sandvik used to be the biggest employer in my small town. Would feel like a nice homage of having a unique JDM putter made from Sandvik stainless steel. Edited February 9, 2017 by bngolfer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkkgolfer Posted February 11, 2017 Report Share Posted February 11, 2017 On 2/10/2017 at 1:13 AM, TourSpecGolfer said: Here's a photo of the VS-R's face in black Lefty? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+TourSpecGolfer Posted February 13, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2017 On 2/10/2017 at 7:55 PM, bkkgolfer said: Lefty? sorry no lefty :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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604_skyline Posted February 14, 2017 Report Share Posted February 14, 2017 when and how can we purchase one of those one of ten swedish steel putters? chris, send me a pm or email, i must get one of those! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+TourSpecGolfer Posted February 14, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 14, 2017 For those interested in the sandvik SSS please email me at [email protected] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
golftech Posted February 25, 2017 Report Share Posted February 25, 2017 (edited) Is there a top line view of this putter to see the offset. I'm close to pulling trigger on ordering, but not sure on finish. Any recommendations? Edited February 26, 2017 by golftech Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
golftech Posted April 10, 2017 Report Share Posted April 10, 2017 I bought a black version from a Chris (red details) and it's an amazing feeling putter. Has a denser feel than previous carbon or stainless putters I've had and the face milling works with a pure roll. Testing it on a golf trip currently and my second favorite putter ever (Gauge Design The One from 2005 is still favorite). The feel is quite consistent, a muted denser feel and sound and easy to manage pace with. Great design Chris! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bngolfer Posted January 24, 2018 Report Share Posted January 24, 2018 On 2017-02-09 at 6:12 PM, TourSpecGolfer said: It's called sandvik stainless steel and it's supposed to be the best. RomaRo made a few expensive putters with it years ago but did a poor job educating people about the material itself. i bought enough material to produce 10 putters. shipping the metal was the expensive from Sweden to Japan. I'm going with no face milling, perfectly flat so the owners can get full metal vibration. no finish as well. Chris, did you ever produce any Sandvik putters? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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