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chiromikey

JBeam Bullet?

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12 hours ago, chiromikey said:

The Kamui Works Ray was the best feeling driver I've ever owned and I loved that it was built to MY EXACT specs (flat and open). Besides the shape, I wonder if this Kamui has anything else in common with the jBeam or if that's where the similarities end?

Kamui Works builds the heads to order with those specs.  Jbeam hand picks or adjusts by reeming the hosel or using a special sleeve.  

They are totally different materials,  heads etc..

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24 minutes ago, coops1967 said:

Don't be bringing simple common sense to the argument..... ;-)

 

Perhaps all Japanese golfers are playing their irons 4 degree up or more from standard - maybe the Mizuno iron standard which i always heard was slightly flatter  than those westerners... ( I mean a 6ft Japanese man is going to have signigicantly shorter arms than a Western 6ft man? Or a 5ft 6in Japanese vs a 5ft6ib Westerner LOL.... what about the old chestnut that 'driver lie angle didn't mastter due to the low loft' . Now apparently some races have Trex arms ;-)    )

Being a 6ft tall Japanese,   I do not believe I have significantly shorter arms than my American counterparts! :) 

I think the upright lie on JDM driver is to compensate for the larger 460 heads typically having CGs away from the axis of rotation and thus,  naturally harder to return to square at impact.     What does that mean to the general golfers in Japan?   Pushes and Slices. 

They could certainly make clubs with a closed face or even put an offset to address this issue,  but I think they are choosing to make the lie upright instead since it does not affect how the club looks at address.    Offset drivers and closed face drivers probably do not sell well  they are just ugly to look at.      but guess what... when I am on the course here in the US,   I see so many players with USDM drivers who set up super closed face at address to compensate for their slices!!     Take your pick!   :)      

In Japan,  the word "Tsukamaru"  has caught on in Japanese golf club marketing,  which can translate to "Capture"  the ball at impact which they really mean to say "easier to hit straighter or draw at impact."  (i.e. anti-slice )     As we all know , most beginners suffer slicing the ball ,  and honestly with the very little play time they have in Japan,  the majority of players do not grow out of that problem.     Over the years , I think the market overall has been programmed to interpret  "Easier to draw" = "Forgiving club"

 

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4 hours ago, TourSpecGolfer said:

Kamui Works builds the heads to order with those specs.  Jbeam hand picks or adjusts by reeming the hosel or using a special sleeve.  

They are totally different materials,  heads etc..

Can you find out what would be the most flat and open head they have in 9* (prior to reeming or sleeving)?

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11 hours ago, coops1967 said:

Don't be bringing simple common sense to the argument..... ;-)

 

Perhaps all Japanese golfers are playing their irons 4 degree up or more from standard - maybe the Mizuno iron standard which i always heard was slightly flatter  than those westerners... ( I mean a 6ft Japanese man is going to have signigicantly shorter arms than a Western 6ft man? Or a 5ft 6in Japanese vs a 5ft6ib Westerner LOL.... what about the old chestnut that 'driver lie angle didn't mastter due to the low loft' . Now apparently some races have Trex arms ;-)    )

Lol, yeah it all seems so off, logic wise

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18 hours ago, chiromikey said:

Can you find out what would be the most flat and open head they have in 9* (prior to reeming or sleeving)?

Lie angle is 59* open is 1.25*

Reem or sleeve it and you can go another 3* either way.

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Mercy... just seen Epon's Dead or Alive driver is a ludicrous 62 degree lie angle.... more upright than a standard 4 iron.

 

I'll be picking up my reshafted clubs from Golfcraft tomorrow, so hope I remember to take a comparison pic for you all just for laughs....

 

The Epon Zero Kai is a lovely looking thing, by the way - but for a driver designed for the 'stronger' player at 435cc ( & presumably a non-slicer) it is sadly also at 60 deg lie... my trust Mizuno Craft 611 is Endo made and you can order it 1-1/2 deg flat from 58 to 56.5 if you like if you're looking for a good option...

I'm not too sure what Epon are up to either... first they cancel their dealer arrangement with Golfcraft Bangkok - sounds familiar to Tourspec I suppose ;-) - ( so i heard to open a shop of their own in Thaniya plaza)... and now it's back to 'sanity' with Golfcraft being their main Thailand dealer ( along with Grindworks but no longer Jbeam it seems... by the way the grindworks cb-1 looks to be forged from Epon 301 dies  http://en.grindworks.jp  )

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4 hours ago, coops1967 said:

Mercy... just seen Epon's Dead or Alive driver is a ludicrous 62 degree lie angle.... more upright than a standard 4 iron.

 

I'll be picking up my reshafted clubs from Golfcraft tomorrow, so hope I remember to take a comparison pic for you all just for laughs....

 

The Epon Zero Kai is a lovely looking thing, by the way - but for a driver designed for the 'stronger' player at 435cc ( & presumably a non-slicer) it is sadly also at 60 deg lie... my trust Mizuno Craft 611 is Endo made and you can order it 1-1/2 deg flat from 58 to 56.5 if you like if you're looking for a good option...

I'm not too sure what Epon are up to either... first they cancel their dealer arrangement with Golfcraft Bangkok - sounds familiar to Tourspec I suppose ;-) - ( so i heard to open a shop of their own in Thaniya plaza)... and now it's back to 'sanity' with Golfcraft being their main Thailand dealer ( along with Grindworks but no longer Jbeam it seems... by the way the grindworks cb-1 looks to be forged from Epon 301 dies  http://en.grindworks.jp  )

Lets try not to thread jack but to be laser.

1.  You can order most Yoro mizzy drivers flat still

2.  Epon is doing poorly.  Endo is not interested in growing their golf business aggressively.  PXG & The New Miura have taken a lot of their juice.  Epon's soul has been missing for a decade now.   Fu Shen & OTA the worlds two biggest factories in China are very competitive and aggressive.

3.  TSG vs GolfCraft was the issue and it was purely about ego and feelings not sound business decisions. When I realized I was out I gave Epon a last bit of advice and It went a little something like this:  " you guys are manufacturing and shipping it and have english speaking staff with time on their hands" cut out unnecessary regionals and sell directly to the shop.   Judging by the way things are now they followed it... kinda. 

4.  I do not believe Epon has made an original mold for their products.  A mold for the heavy press cost  $1.2 million.   Factories do not produce their own they let their customers pay for it then use / adjust / or duplicate after the product is phased out or the co goes belly up.  Sometimes the mold will break so they repair it.  I know factories that own many molds but none producing their own like big golf OEMs often do.  It's simple math.  how many sets you gotta sell to cover $1.2 million mold let alone the cost to produce thousands of sets of heads?   Also if you really know shapes you can look at say the P3 or AF-Tour and  tell these shapes look dated.  Compare it to the shape of a SEVEN, Titleist, Taylormade or Srixon players CB.  Two different eras in shape.  So even if they are in the business of losing money and buying new molds (they are not) would they really spend that money on dated shapes?  

Ok lets stop there on this...lol

 

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By the way - I think the Seven idea of a 'blank' oversize/overweight 'blade' head which is then milled down to final size and weight is an excellent idea - brilliant for smaller product runs, and allows you to produce different head shapes etc from the one blank, rather than investing in multiple forge dies for each forging step for each head for each model... opens up possibilities of custom milled head for offset and grind.

 

Got my reshafted clubs back today.... here's the 301 4 iron vs the Dead or alive 62deg lie angle driver  :tsg_smilie_blackeye:

 

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On 8/29/2017 at 9:29 AM, nobmontana said:

Being a 6ft tall Japanese,   I do not believe I have significantly shorter arms than my American counterparts! :) 

I think the upright lie on JDM driver is to compensate for the larger 460 heads typically having CGs away from the axis of rotation and thus,  naturally harder to return to square at impact.     What does that mean to the general golfers in Japan?   Pushes and Slices. 

They could certainly make clubs with a closed face or even put an offset to address this issue,  but I think they are choosing to make the lie upright instead since it does not affect how the club looks at address.    Offset drivers and closed face drivers probably do not sell well  they are just ugly to look at.      but guess what... when I am on the course here in the US,   I see so many players with USDM drivers who set up super closed face at address to compensate for their slices!!     Take your pick!   :)      

In Japan,  the word "Tsukamaru"  has caught on in Japanese golf club marketing,  which can translate to "Capture"  the ball at impact which they really mean to say "easier to hit straighter or draw at impact."  (i.e. anti-slice )     As we all know , most beginners suffer slicing the ball ,  and honestly with the very little play time they have in Japan,  the majority of players do not grow out of that problem.     Over the years , I think the market overall has been programmed to interpret  "Easier to draw" = "Forgiving club"

 

This I agree.  

 

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Any more info or player reviews on this?

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Looks like you'll have to be the guinea pig on this one, Mikey!  :)   

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3 hours ago, nobmontana said:

Looks like you'll have to be the guinea pig on this one, Mikey!  :)   

Are you saying that I’m going to have to “bite the bullet”? 

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