Sgt_Slaughter Posted November 24, 2004 Report Share Posted November 24, 2004 ok, couple things. how many of u have a swing where when u hit a short iron your swing is more upright and more v like and when u swing your woods or long irons they slice or cut. 1. should my driver/long irons swing be more around my body? ive been trying to work on this with very little success. every time i finish a range session i have done what i wanted to accomplish but when i go to the course, i just cant seem to do what i did at the range, on the course. i feel have the troubles with my long irons and driver and fw's r costing me about 5 strokes a round. i just seem to put myself in a bad place and have to make bogey every hole. which costs me. the other times ill be hitting a long iron and cut it to much or even slice it and put myself into another bad spot. i hit my short irons and my 5-iron very weel and have no trouble. its just my 3 and 4-irons and my hybrid, 3-wood and driver that i cut or slice. i currently play my driver more towards the middle of my stance and it has made my drives straighter and a more lower trajectory. i find myself either in the fairway or they rollthrough the fairway. but when i play the driver off my left heel, i slice it horribly sometimes i can hit it straight. i want to be able to hit my long irons confidently knowing that when i step up to the ball with say a 3-iron or 4-iron that i can hit flush and straight to my target its gotten a little frustrating. but i am happy with my driver right now, but i do want it fixed. i wanna be able to play it off my left heel and hit them long and straight like normal. id also like to be able to hit my 3-wood, hybrid and long irons straighter. its not the matter of getting it in the air, its the big cut or slice. that reminds me, i found a new drill, i have two broken shafts. i thought of doing this, saw it on a show or book. anyways, stick the one shaft to my right 2 feet outside parallel to my driver shaft at address.dont hit on the way back which will help swing straight back and swing under it on the way down coming from the inside like i should. will this help? anyone else doing something similiar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffy Posted November 24, 2004 Report Share Posted November 24, 2004 You could be slicing for a bunch of different reasons (left arm too stiff, coming over the top, taking club back outside, laying the club off, etc.). I have found that Manuel de la Torre's "Understanding the Golf Swing" is perhaps the most effective "causes and cures" handbook available. I highly recommend it. Jeff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Sgt_Slaughter Posted November 24, 2004 Author Report Share Posted November 24, 2004 alright thanks. i got some books the other day from a library to read. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dartman Posted November 25, 2004 Report Share Posted November 25, 2004 Playing the ball farther back in your stance allows you to shift your weight to your right easier on the backswing, which is probably the reason why you slice it when you move it up. Just concentrate on making a full-turn away from the ball and a full turn through the ball after impact while holding your follow-through at the top. The error I always see the most common with slicers is not letting your right hand follow through all the way over your left shoulder while travelling toward the target line, maybe a little inside the target line. As far as swing plane...just draw an imaginary line from the ball to your shoulders, just where your neck meets your sternum and swing back on that line while dropping your hands back inside on the downswing. Also, check and make sure most of your weight is on your left side as you follow through...if not you will leave the face open, creating a slice that starts on the target line and curves farther right. Something to try: swing like Jim Furyk, on an exaggerated outside the target line backswing and an exaggerated inside the target line downswing...you will feel like you are "looping" your hands around your shoulders. Also, see your local PGA pro for a lesson and ask him to get you on video...seeing your own swing will help you remember where you need to be at certain spots in your swing....ps...don't go to any of those non-PGA guys that go to some joke of a school for 6 months to become a teacher....PGA members go through extensive training in all aspects of the swing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt_Slaughter Posted November 25, 2004 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2004 thanks. im going to work on my swing during the winter. i have no problem with my short irons and wedges. going to try making more of a full turn, and trying to sweep the ball off the turf. i am getting to upright and hitting down on the ball. leaving the face open causing slices. i should have it fixed as i am starting to understand everything more now and learning more about the swing then i use to know. ill try and video tape my swing. from down the line and a side view and try and post it. ok, i want to also add this: i have been reading the fundamentals of ben hogan book lately. he said that he turned hips to eh left to drop the arms down before he came to impact. i read a different book and they said to bring ur arms down to ur chest before unwinding ur shoulders. whats the proper way and what do most of u do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dartman Posted November 26, 2004 Report Share Posted November 26, 2004 O canada, One thing you have two understand is when you look at a swing, whether it is Lee Trevino, Tiger Woods, Nicklaus, Hogan, etc....their swing will fall in one of two categories a one-piece (modern), where everything is in-sync, shoulders are even with arms and chest speed matches the rotation of your hips....this swing will provide you with more consistency, but the distance is relative to your athletic build and how much torque you can load into your upper thighs and lower back. The other swing, like Nicklaus and Hogan is a three-piece or classic swing which is used by a few tour players nowadays, ie Colin Montgomerie or John Daly, which is totally opposite of Woods or Els...the perfect modern swing example, where nothing is forced, gravity does its work while you make your turn through the ball. The 3 piece swing is why Hogan says start with hips and all will follow, BUT Hogan hit a million golf balls with this one swing, his body and temperment allowed him to swing the way he did, as with Nicklaus and Palmer, you don't want this swing unless you ultimately must have the extra swing speed you will get while sacrificing consistency (unless you are hitting around 250-300 balls everyday like those guys did). You should have the following incorporated into your swing, the modern-swing: Ball position: middle to back with most irons middle-front with woods Grip: Strong (left hand turned clockwise when looking down while in set up pos.) or neutral Hip motion: pure rotation, not lateral then rotate like Hogan Takeaway: Begin with arms and shoulder acting sequentially, arm swing then set wrist, then turn shoulders while keeping spine angle Backswing: flatter, rounded; not high and arcing Right foot and left foot flared outwards Legs: Quiet Release: Rotational body release with arm speed matching upper body speed Finish with a straight spine, not a reverse C like Hogan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt_Slaughter Posted November 26, 2004 Author Report Share Posted November 26, 2004 what r some good books to get that will help me learn more about the swing and other information? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt_Slaughter Posted November 27, 2004 Author Report Share Posted November 27, 2004 does this drill work to eliminate my driver problems and promote a more inside approach to the ball: stick the one shaft to my right 2 feet outside parallel to my driver shaft at address.dont hit on the way back which will help swing straight back and swing under it on the way down coming from the inside like i should. will this help? anyone else doing something similiar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dartman Posted November 27, 2004 Report Share Posted November 27, 2004 Tiger Woods' book "how i play golf" is pretty good for learning sound fundamentals, but to get the swing down do the tee is "total golf" from the academy of pros at pga national, written by Mike Adams and Tom Tomasi, or TJ Tomasi. That drill will certainly help you with finding the right position at the top, but be careful to limit your wrist rotation because that drill can get you hitting duck hooks all day long. The Furyk loop is IMO the best way to get rid of a slice, but overexaggerating will go you hooking. Best of luck to ya! PS-Don't get too caught up in fundamentals, just trust your swing w/o worrying about what it looks like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt_Slaughter Posted November 27, 2004 Author Report Share Posted November 27, 2004 i have tiger woods "how i play golf". bought it last christmas. i was just looking for others. ill prolly take a trip to our local "chapters" and see what they have. i was just looking through the golfdigest magazines i have and found some good drills to work on. plus i was just swinging my driver around yesterday trying to get the feel of making a full weight shift and proper turn. thanks again dart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dartman Posted November 27, 2004 Report Share Posted November 27, 2004 Highly suggest you watch Skins tournament and watch how Tiger and Adam Scott swing.....Scott has a better swing than tiger IMO, but that could be because I have actually played a round with him before. Watch how they start the backswing as one-piece, this is how you want to swing bud....later! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt_Slaughter Posted November 28, 2004 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2004 ive been doing that for the last few tournaments. watching ernie, woods, justto see their swing. its helped me a lot so far. i just gotta hit some balls with the driver, fairway woods and 3 and 4 irons to see the ball when i hit it. if i can get a decent video of my swing with the driver and an iron ill post it so u and ohers can see it. thanks again dart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dartman Posted November 29, 2004 Report Share Posted November 29, 2004 no prob....make sure you post that swing....ill check it out for you....I'm a PGA member so I can tell you what I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt_Slaughter Posted November 29, 2004 Author Report Share Posted November 29, 2004 i dont think it will be me hitting a ball. the weather isnt good enuff right now to hit balls. so it might just be swinging in my basement. but ill try Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kre8ivetl Posted December 3, 2004 Report Share Posted December 3, 2004 I think I had a similar problem this summer. I sought out professional help from a pro in my area. He's well known and goes to hank haney. my problem was mostly my takeaway. Basically, from set up to about waist high my hands weren't the same distance away from mybody. It got me swinging around my body more, now that I look at it. It took forever to get used to though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt_Slaughter Posted December 3, 2004 Author Report Share Posted December 3, 2004 im gonna work on my swing this summer. working on making a full shoulder and hip turn behind the ball and then hitting through the ball making a full release. i tend to not release the club properly sometimes and i hit a cut or nasty slice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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