jdrmd Posted December 27, 2004 Report Share Posted December 27, 2004 Does anybody know about the Black RAC MB's?? If so, please elaborate. Thanks John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyTN Posted December 27, 2004 Report Share Posted December 27, 2004 Does anybody know about the Black RAC MB's?? If so, please elaborate.Thanks John Tour issued MB's w/ black finish... supposed to be about 25-30 sets.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbie Posted December 27, 2004 Report Share Posted December 27, 2004 ive seen tons of black rac mbs, and i can count 25 different owners myself....i think a figure of 500 sets made would be more accurate ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyTN Posted December 28, 2004 Report Share Posted December 28, 2004 ive seen tons of black rac mbs, and i can count 25 different owners myself....i think a figure of 500 sets made would be more accurate ! ok then they are not very very rare then... I have no interest in black MB...so I dont really care, just going off what was being said on other sites.. good to know the truth sometimes.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmoney Posted December 28, 2004 Report Share Posted December 28, 2004 There is a set on Ebay right now for a cool $1799. :cool: Yeah $1795... :-D Little rich for even my blood! :money: G$ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jich505 Posted December 29, 2004 Report Share Posted December 29, 2004 Just out of curiosity - other then the color of the heads, what makes these heads soooo rare and desireable? They say "Coin Forged" and NOT "FORGED" and have millings in pockets. I do like the way they look (don't get me wrong this is NOT a post to BASH these clubs - just trying to educate myself) but I see people talking on various posts saying things about the performance differences (More solid/better performing) and I don't see where this comes from. What keeps the price of these heads SOOO high? Are these 3x black oxide finished from TM? Can't anyone have their TOUR MB's refinished and have the same club? Are the differences only cosmetic? If anyone could shed some light, it would be much appreciated! :smile2: Don't get rubbed the wrong way if you have these heads - I think they look GREAT! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bevilsworld Posted December 30, 2004 Report Share Posted December 30, 2004 The black heads are a good bit rarer than the regular heads but aside color and rarity I think they are pretty much the same. Personally, I like my MBs perfectly fine and can't justify the extra money for a different color. BTW I got my MBs from you Jich thanks again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jich505 Posted December 30, 2004 Report Share Posted December 30, 2004 Then they MUST be GREAT irons :smile2: Glad to see they are working out for you - sweet sticks and was sorry to see them go :wah: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oneputt987 Posted December 31, 2004 Report Share Posted December 31, 2004 YOu can argue that any tour club is the same as retail if you want and give your own opinions, but these irons are pretty rare and if they feel more solid than the others to that person good for them, but people spend the big bucks to have clubs knowone else can get, and black mb's sure seem rarer than regular tour mb's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
champx2 Posted December 31, 2004 Report Share Posted December 31, 2004 Black rac mb are for sure more rare that a std tour issued rac mb. I owned a set and I thought the irons were excellent. 2 big issues for me hence the reason I no longer own them. 1) finish wear. these irons are friggin stunning. Almost too nice to use. Once I saw that mine were going to look like hell if I played them much, I decided to move on 2) I was advised that the gun blueing or oxidizing makes the carbon steel more brittle and susceptable to breakage during lie adjustment. No idea if that is fact or fiction but I ended up selling my set to a guy who had some of his black rac mb break at the hosels. Not good. I know for a fact Cleveland does not like to bend any gun blue wedges. I used to get my stuff directly from the tour dept and they recommended a maximum of 1-1.5 degree adjustment and only one time. I suppose TM could be similar. I would suspect that could be one of the reasons why these did not get played on tour? Bottom line is the black are a super nice set as long as you understand what you are getting. Hard to beat a nice Miura TM blade if you have the game for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jich505 Posted January 3, 2005 Report Share Posted January 3, 2005 Like I was saying my original thread, I understand the rarity of the heads AND was not trying to bash anyone who had these irons, but was trying to find out if there were any other diffrences besides the finish. Also I understand that some people might feel that retail irons are as good as TOUR irons BUT there are physical differences between the heads such as forging type, finish, and head weight. So my point being, I was trying to see if there were diffrences like these from the Black MB's and the other types of TOUR MB's, not debate the value of the heads. Sorry if I was misundertood :smile2: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbie Posted January 3, 2005 Report Share Posted January 3, 2005 the ones stamped forged usually do not have swirl marks on the face, the black rac have the swirl marks on the face...i however did not see much difference in terms of playability, if anything the black racs were a touch harsher than my satin tour mbs...but the black racs are very nice to look at and a bit#h to keep good looking ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jich505 Posted January 4, 2005 Report Share Posted January 4, 2005 Robbie, sorry need to clarify, I was referring to the pockets in the back of the club. I know it is much mnore rare NOT to have the milled pockets on the back of the club. My heads have FORGED stamped but to do not have milled faces. I think there are sets out there that have FORGED stamped and have milled faces. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt_Slaughter Posted January 4, 2005 Report Share Posted January 4, 2005 just curious, should u be a solid ball striker to play the rac mbs? or with my 10 handicap should i have no problem in the short irons if i want a cb/mb combo set? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offtheback Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 just curious, should u be a solid ball striker to play the rac mbs? or with my 10 handicap should i have no problem in the short irons if i want a cb/mb combo set? I personally thought the MB's were one TM's most forgiving irons, definity more so than the CB's, I would think a 10 should have a problem with these, as long as your a decnt ball striker.. I have also heard the black makes the feel a tad harder... but wow breaking heads on small lie adjustments..no thanks. but the std. tour mbs I think are sweet..kinda wish I still had mine.... :love: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbie Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 all the sets of rac mbs that i owned which had forged on the hosel were no mill marks in the feel pocket and no mill marks on the face.....i have never heard of a set that had forged on the hosel and mill marks on the face..... the black rcs have coin forged on the hosel and mill marks in the feel pockets and mill marks on the face.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jich505 Posted January 6, 2005 Report Share Posted January 6, 2005 Cool that is what I thought, but you never know what pops up out there!! Sometimes when you think you have seen everything, here comes another MORE RARE set that has another characteristic to them. It is the never-ending quest to TRY to keep up with "HOING WORLD" :smile2: Robbie, I know you do a pretty good job in that field! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 7, 2005 Report Share Posted January 7, 2005 Cool that is what I thought, but you never know what pops up out there!! Sometimes when you think you have seen everything, here comes another MORE RARE set that has another characteristic to them. It is the never-ending quest to TRY to keep up with "HOING WORLD" :smile2: Robbie, I know you do a pretty good job in that field! There is a pretty nice set in the BST :laugh: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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