joey3108 Posted February 25, 2005 Report Share Posted February 25, 2005 I got this email from UST and cut and paste the quote from them: UST Tour representative Jim McIntosh says the Nissan Open champion put the UST Proforce Prototype (V2) shaft in play on Thursday and promptly went out and shot 67. “Not bad for a guy who has played steel seemingly forever,” says Tosh. “The prototype shaft that won was an 86-gram, low-torque shaft with a very balanced profile. We call it the ‘V2’ shaft, or Version 2 of the Proforce line. Night and day different structurally.” Currently, the new Proforce V2 shafts are offered in 55-, 65-, 75-, 85- and 95-gram versions, however, the new shaft is only available as a prototype on Tour. Now, I'm gonna try to ask the rep if i can get the exact shaft for us here at TSG. However I want to see how much interest we have here first. Wadaya guys think? Chime in if any of you interested in this shaft. Don't worry I will do my best to give a fair price on them. Thanks! Joe! :cool: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teampowers Posted February 25, 2005 Report Share Posted February 25, 2005 I would be interested in trying a 65 gram. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flogball00 Posted February 25, 2005 Report Share Posted February 25, 2005 Count me in, although i wont be putting it in a burner 420 tour :whistle: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joey3108 Posted February 25, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 25, 2005 420 BURNER ROCKS!!! LOL!!! Boys, I'm waiting for a reply. Stay tuneOK!!! Joe :cool: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlauber Posted February 25, 2005 Report Share Posted February 25, 2005 Something tells me that they will put a premium price on that shaft. probably $400 or so. It seems to be the current trend now...what manufacturer can out-price the other. Fuji started it a couple of years ago with $200+ shafts, then Mitsubishi with $300, Graphite Design with $350, and UST with it's Accra Line and SE-80, I believe going for over $400. Joe, is there any relation between price and performance, in your estimation? I mean how much more distance or lower scores can a hacker shoot with an upgrade shaft? If a manufacturer could guarantee me 300+ yds down the middle every time, with my erratic swing, I would pay a $1000 for it...but I have never seen any equipment change that would dramatically alter my game. Maybe lessons would help, but I doubt there is a driver out there that will give me a noticeable difference over my Cally 454 8 degree with YS-6 X-stiff, at 46". I have drivers that I can blow by the Cally, that are just components, probably totaling no more than $150, but there is no telling where the ball will go. I have an Integra 505, 8 degree, with an Aldila Longwood 50/50 X-Flex, at 51" that I have hit 350. I seriously doubt that there is any driver made by TaylorMade or TourStage with any shaft, built to 45" that will out-drive that driver in distance. Accuracy, yes, distance, no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joey3108 Posted February 25, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 25, 2005 Something tells me that they will put a premium price on that shaft. probably $400 or so. It seems to be the current trend now...what manufacturer can out-price the other. Fuji started it a couple of years ago with $200+ shafts, then Mitsubishi with $300, Graphite Design with $350, and UST with it's Accra Line and SE-80, I believe going for over $400. Joe, is there any relation between price and performance, in your estimation? I mean how much more distance or lower scores can a hacker shoot with an upgrade shaft? If a manufacturer could guarantee me 300+ yds down the middle every time, with my erratic swing, I would pay a $1000 for it...but I have never seen any equipment change that would dramatically alter my game. Maybe lessons would help, but I doubt there is a driver out there that will give me a noticeable difference over my Cally 454 8 degree with YS-6 X-stiff, at 46". I have drivers that I can blow by the Cally, that are just components, probably totaling no more than $150, but there is no telling where the ball will go. I have an Integra 505, 8 degree, with an Aldila Longwood 50/50 X-Flex, at 51" that I have hit 350. I seriously doubt that there is any driver made by TaylorMade or TourStage with any shaft, built to 45" that will out-drive that driver in distance. Accuracy, yes, distance, no. It's all about fitting the right shaft for the right swing and the right mind. Not about the price only nor look only nor perfomance only.For some of them all aspect has to be in their hand but some don't. I can only say that what ever the price they were asking...it's better be worth it, Right?. But yet the law of business is supply and demand. Nothing we can do on this one, market will dictate how the product will be. This is why endorsement deal to an athlete is very important to them. The quality consistency is the other problem, eventhough they are getting better and better. Some are better than others. For my part on this issue, If the product are not consistent, that means it will give me more headache to install them. After all, It's all depends on the clubmakers whether they are looking for profit only or customer satisfaction or both. Experience clubmakers know what they need to do to make it at least close to what you need. A good Clubmakers need to understand every products characteristic in their shop to be able to recommend the customers. That means they need to test every one of them before deciding to carry that product in their shop. However, you need to remember clubmakers are not GOD, not even close to a cult leader :smile1: . Swing is the one make the final result where the ball end up. Cheers! Joe :cool: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlauber Posted February 25, 2005 Report Share Posted February 25, 2005 Joe, From what I have read, from many others, is that you are the premier club-maker in the area...and I'm sure you will be modest about that statement. However, I would think it would be far more beneficial to have someone like yourself, who understands many of the physics of the shafts and clubheads, work on a particular combination, than to spend hundreds, if not thousands, on "tour quality" equipment. In fact, I would contend, that "tour preferred" equipment is just that, for tour players...and not hacks like myself. Just because VJ uses a $300 shaft does not mean it will work for the average golfer...and VJ is not paying for it either. Having said that, I must say that I love the looks of those Gauge blades...and even though I will probably struggle to hit them...when I can afford a set, I will have you build and blue-print a set of TC shafts to go with them. At least I will know that nothing more can be done with the equipment..and any flaws will be because of my swing, and not the clubs. Maybe I'm wrong about the price points of the shafts...I'm sure a rep from one of those companies would argue with me...but I just can't believe that an Accra SE-80 will out-perform a reg Pro Force shaft by 10-1. Maybe a few more yards, and a small percentage increase in fws hit, but even then I doubt it. Now some will argue that a few more yards is worth a few more hundred bucks. Obviously, shaft and equipment manufacturers are banking on the cdonsumer believing it will. Anyway, thanks Joe, for your feedback. And if the Proto Pro Force is reasonably priced, I would certainly be interested...something under $75, though. At least that's my two cents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShortKnocker Posted February 25, 2005 Report Share Posted February 25, 2005 Joe, I would really be interested if you were able to pick some up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gatorgolfer Posted February 25, 2005 Report Share Posted February 25, 2005 i would definetly be interested also Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breal Posted February 25, 2005 Report Share Posted February 25, 2005 I would definately try one in a 75 or 65 maybe im trying lighter shafts,but definately interested in this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BostonHack Posted February 25, 2005 Report Share Posted February 25, 2005 I have never been a fan of Proforces, way too boardy feel. What makes this one different from the rest? At at the price tag which may not be cheap...I hope it is, what makes this shaft different from the other premium shafts that are outhere? if it happens to be priced at those levels? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joey3108 Posted February 26, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 26, 2005 Boys, So sorry that i have to brake your heart. :wah: They told me they don't even have it that much at all and at this moment only tour van has it in stock. They also still not sure if they are gonna be in production. However, they told me the beauty of this shaft is that they build this all in high kick regardless what the weight is and not as boardy as the Laker's shaft. Joe :cool: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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