bogeydog Posted November 8, 2007 Report Share Posted November 8, 2007 Anyone have any idea about the differences? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gocchin Posted November 8, 2007 Report Share Posted November 8, 2007 Hi B, Okay, the Black G's were originally prototypes and then offered as Professional level shafts and are still used by Shingo Katayama in his Nike irons. Then GD released the Tour AD and created two lines of irons the Tour AD AD series of irons for regular users and a Tour AD Pro for low handicap and professional players. The AD is a constant weight shaft available in 65 75 85 and 95g models and the the Pro is an ascending weight shaft starting with the 2 iron shaft at 100g then increasing 2-3g every shaft all the way down to the shortest iron at 118g. The Tour AD AD is designed for distance performance while the Pros are very much built for aim and control as witnessed by their steel like torque numbers. The Tour AD AD was so popular though, some low handicappers complained that there were no heavier versions so GD came out recently with the Limited AD 105 and AD 115 constant weight shafts... that are customizable in color and cost a fortune, twice the amout of the Pros. Now all the Tour AD shafts above are mid kicking shafts. The Black G's which are available in 3 models are constant weight shafts with higher kick points resulting in lower trajectory than the Tour AD's. Confusing yes... good shafts... YES!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bogeydog Posted November 8, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 8, 2007 Thanks for the info. How would you compare them to the Roddio I-10s? I am struggling with the idea of installing the Roddio I-10s I have into my AF301s. I would need to bore out the hosels though. So I am considering one of the GD shafts in a new set. Can you send me the pricing for each (approx.)? Thanks Hi B,Okay, the Black G's were originally prototypes and then offered as Professional level shafts and are still used by Shingo Katayama in his Nike irons. Then GD released the Tour AD and created two lines of irons the Tour AD AD series of irons for regular users and a Tour AD Pro for low handicap and professional players. The AD is a constant weight shaft available in 65 75 85 and 95g models and the the Pro is an ascending weight shaft starting with the 2 iron shaft at 100g then increasing 2-3g every shaft all the way down to the shortest iron at 118g. The Tour AD AD is designed for distance performance while the Pros are very much built for aim and control as witnessed by their steel like torque numbers. The Tour AD AD was so popular though, some low handicappers complained that there were no heavier versions so GD came out recently with the Limited AD 105 and AD 115 constant weight shafts... that are customizable in color and cost a fortune, twice the amout of the Pros. Now all the Tour AD shafts above are mid kicking shafts. The Black G's which are available in 3 models are constant weight shafts with higher kick points resulting in lower trajectory than the Tour AD's. Confusing yes... good shafts... YES!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gocchin Posted November 8, 2007 Report Share Posted November 8, 2007 That is what I love about GD... taper tip 0.355! (^_^) They would be comparable to the Roddio's for sure. Are you looking at getting something in the same weight range? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bogeydog Posted November 8, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 8, 2007 Yeah the 105g seem to work well. That is what I love about GD... taper tip 0.355! (^_^)They would be comparable to the Roddio's for sure. Are you looking at getting something in the same weight range? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K2_2 Posted November 8, 2007 Report Share Posted November 8, 2007 If I had one request for the Roddios, taper tips would be it! RE the AD Pro, I love that shaft too, and while it has low torque numbers and is very 'steel like' in terms of play, I found it to be very smooth. Again, apologies for not being able to do a side-by-side with the Roddio. T, has anyone from graphite design or one of the Japanese blogs detailed the differences between the AD 105/115 and the rest of the line? I'm guessing they did more than offer three cool color schemes and a few extra grams of carbon when the cost doubled but I'd be interested in hearing what they changed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bogeydog Posted November 22, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2007 Any new info here? If I had one request for the Roddios, taper tips would be it! RE the AD Pro, I love that shaft too, and while it has low torque numbers and is very 'steel like' in terms of play, I found it to be very smooth. Again, apologies for not being able to do a side-by-side with the Roddio. T, has anyone from graphite design or one of the Japanese blogs detailed the differences between the AD 105/115 and the rest of the line? I'm guessing they did more than offer three cool color schemes and a few extra grams of carbon when the cost doubled but I'd be interested in hearing what they changed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gocchin Posted November 22, 2007 Report Share Posted November 22, 2007 I've checked around and as far as I can see the price is based on color options and limited availability only... I don't see anything that stands out spec wise from the standard Tour AD 65-95 models. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoon Posted December 6, 2007 Report Share Posted December 6, 2007 I've checked around and as far as I can see the price is based on color options and limited availability only... I don't see anything that stands out spec wise from the standard Tour AD 65-95 models. do you have pics of the black G? im considering the tour ad for my next set someting in the 70ish g range so the tour ad 75 would be money! but curious how the black gs look like Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gocchin Posted December 6, 2007 Report Share Posted December 6, 2007 do you have pics of the black G? im considering the tour ad for my next set someting in the 70ish g range so the tour ad 75 would be money! but curious how the black gs look like The Black G's are pretty much black like Shingo's below. Since you're coming from Beres irons with ARMRQ graphite... I think the Tour AD75 would be an amazing match for you C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duffer19 Posted December 7, 2007 Report Share Posted December 7, 2007 T, What is the point of going from the ARMRQ shaft to the Tour AD except the ARMRQ play softer to flex, particularly the 700 or even 800 series. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoon Posted December 7, 2007 Report Share Posted December 7, 2007 T, What is the point of going from the ARMRQ shaft to the Tour AD except the ARMRQ play softer to flex, particularly the 700 or even 800 series. just curious R as i am getting a second set of copper epons and placing the tour ad. always been a fan of tour ad but have never tried em in irons. i am also thinking of disposing of my epon typx bg and getting the af701 all shafted with graphite tour ad75 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gocchin Posted December 7, 2007 Report Share Posted December 7, 2007 T, What is the point of going from the ARMRQ shaft to the Tour AD except the ARMRQ play softer to flex, particularly the 700 or even 800 series. What's the point of going to any shaft R? Curiousity the urge to try something new... or just for the sake of change. I just believe that Carlo has had some experience with the lightweight graphite already in irons so trying the tour ad's would be of minimal adjustment for C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoon Posted December 7, 2007 Report Share Posted December 7, 2007 What's the point of going to any shaft R? Curiousity the urge to try something new... or just for the sake of change. I just believe that Carlo has had some experience with the lightweight graphite already in irons so trying the tour ad's would be of minimal adjustment for C. actually its the nature of most golfers most especially me to tinker with clubs just for the sake of change. my golf equipment is in a constant change more to do with curiosity and the pursuit of perfection rather than necessity. im actually taking a practical leap here based on my preference. if this was me several months ago i would have laughed at myself for even considering graphites. i keep telling myself that the heavier stiffer shafts are good for the ego but not for the score:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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