stevopagolf Posted November 29, 2011 Report Share Posted November 29, 2011 The quest for distance and ease of use comes at a price. Is an 8 hcp going to notice significant improvements in distance/ease of use etc. moving from a Tour AD DI-6 to a Crazy shaft in a Ryoma head? I have my doubts. I love the Ryoma, most consistent and forgiving driver I have hit...longest?--not sure too many drivers and too many factors to accurately compare. So the shaft question pops up in my head... Opinions and experiences welcomed! UPDATED---- OK, the shaft came in--in the usual ROCKET FAST timing I have come to know and love at TSG! How is it I can get stuff from Japan faster than I can from stuff I buy in the US....but I digress. I was very skeptical (I always am not just on golf stuff) that this new combo of Ryoma and Crazy Royal Decoration was going to due much vs the Tour AD DI-6. 1st time out here are my observations: Some testing information: I will be 45 in a little bit. My SS on trackman is 92-100 lets call it 95. Swinger, not hitter. More Ernie Els than Tiger Woods. Played same tees, same 9 holes. 37 degrees with the new combo. 55 degrees with the Tour AD DI-6 last outing For me it seems that the Ryoma Head (199G) likes a longer lighter shaft. Played the RD at 46.25, Tour AD at 45.75. RD is 48g vs 65ish in the DI-6. Both SR flex RD was easier to load. Both are very smooth shafts. RD for me felt better and needed less effort which is important especially in the cold. Hit the RD farther. I actually drew a couple drives which is hard as the RYOMA wants to go dead straight. Hit 2 bombs in the cold. One uphill 240 yards over the bunker (the DI-6 left me in the bunker thought I nutted it!) 280 yard par 4, 240-245 carry to get to a hill....was 5 yards short of the green. Was shocked to see my ball there. Prior week I was 30 yards out. Was very surprised in the cold how well it went. Bottom line, I was very surprised I felt a difference between shafts and surprised I got better more distance. I was not a believer that a shaft could make that much difference. I am guessing 8-10 yards which is a lot. HAVE TO AGREE on the Newing ball. Feels great on all clubs and soft to putt! Looks brand new after 9 holes in the cold...I was very surprised. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eca Posted November 29, 2011 Report Share Posted November 29, 2011 Stevo, thats a huge question. If i were to pick one right now to challenge the DI-6 or cb46 in my case, it will be the RD. Will it beat the DI-6? You're talking another quality shaft and may boil down which suits you more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swisstrader Posted November 29, 2011 Report Share Posted November 29, 2011 (edited) Just got my Ryoma today with crazy shaft and hoping that the weather clears enough in NY so that I can actually hit it. Cannot compare it to a Tour DI, but with a similar handicap, should be able to tell you if there's a massive difference in how I hit my 2 Nike drivers, one with a Proforce shaft, the other interchanging between a Harrison Saga and a voodoo vs Ryoma with crazy. I have also hit both a Premia and a Vspec but with a very light shaft so I have that as a bit of a benchmark to compare my new setup to. Not precisely what you're looking for but will try to provide feedback if it helps.If I start hitting it 310 and consistently down the middle, I will let you know immediately:) Edited November 29, 2011 by swisstrader Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevopagolf Posted November 29, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 29, 2011 Stevo, thats a huge question. If i were to pick one right now to challenge the DI-6 or cb46 in my case, it will be the RD. Will it beat the DI-6? You're talking another quality shaft and may boil down which suits you more. Royal Decoration was what was the basis or thought behind my question. But $500 upgrade (assuming I could sell the DI) is a lot of "faith" in the RD without me having a clue if it would outperform the current set up... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gocchin Posted November 29, 2011 Report Share Posted November 29, 2011 Royal Decoration was what was the basis or thought behind my question. But $500 upgrade (assuming I could sell the DI) is a lot of "faith" in the RD without me having a clue if it would outperform the current set up... Steve, If you want a Crazy email me. Tario Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wmclarenf1 Posted November 30, 2011 Report Share Posted November 30, 2011 (edited) Royal Decoration was what was the basis or thought behind my question. But $500 upgrade (assuming I could sell the DI) is a lot of "faith" in the RD without me having a clue if it would outperform the current set up... This is a great thread and what ECA and you are mentioning is what's on mind mind. I'm sure Crazy is good from what I am reading but is it $500 better and will it suit me and the Ryoma V-Spec head I have coming in. I'm thinking of still sticking to the DI which is tried and tested and tour proven. That said, the Miyazaki Black is calling out as well and teh Miyazakis I guess are also tour proven and although I sure ain;t a trou calibre player, it is some assurance in the unkown? Edited November 30, 2011 by wmclarenf1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eca Posted November 30, 2011 Report Share Posted November 30, 2011 Ok this is what happened to me hence my bias towards crazy/ryoma & really JDMs in general. Craig my friend is 6"3 45yrs old & I'm 5"3 42 yrs old. When i returned to golf 2009 after a close to 5 yr break, I started playing with Craig who I worked with since 2005 & had no idea I knew how to play! I was using TM 360r with Graffaloy prolite 35 which is non conforming. I kept up with his TM r5 dual stock shaft although I can tell he swings faster. I changed to a conforming tour issue burner tp 07 and starting to fall behind him. Now with Ryoma/crazy he can be 10-30 meters behind me. I used the prgr rep today on a wide par 5. He was 110mph 96% & me 105mph 98% (my limit). He was 20meters behind still with his r5. Another long hole into a stiff breeze, he was 191m out (laser) I'm 162m out. Is it worth to have crack at a crazy shaft, well I wasnt gonna die wondering when I already forked out a lot for the head. Wanna drive a Super car? Then surely you'll put the best known tyres you can get :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoon Posted December 1, 2011 Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 the di is a very very good shaft. actually a fine good shaft is crazy higher quality?. most likely is the crazy better perfoming? probably it really depends on the player but if you can get over the high price go for it. i can assure you you wont be sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
potuna Posted December 1, 2011 Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 I'm curious as well, I had a DI-6 and liked the feel but had it in a 10.5 R11 and hit it too high, no roll out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eca Posted December 1, 2011 Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 I'm curious as well, I had a DI-6 and liked the feel but had it in a 10.5 R11 and hit it too high, no roll out. R11 are known to be very accurate but not much roll. Maybe a little high on the backspin keeping it straighter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
potuna Posted December 1, 2011 Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 I have a R11 9 with Blueboard 73 in it and I'm getting a nice mid high baby draw with a bunch of roll out. Yamaha with Miyazki black 72 coming tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoon Posted December 1, 2011 Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 You may be overpowering the shaft. Had the di6 and would hit it too high as well no roll. Di7s had better results. Bothe were on an epon 102 head Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevopagolf Posted December 3, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 3, 2011 Well I will keep you posted! Crazy Royal Deco on its way... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
potuna Posted December 3, 2011 Report Share Posted December 3, 2011 I want to here how it works for you Stevo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevopagolf Posted December 3, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 3, 2011 I want to here how it works for you Stevo. Wish me luck with the Pennsylvania weather! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idrive Posted December 9, 2011 Report Share Posted December 9, 2011 Played with my Nephew today and had completely for gotten he's been carrying 2 drivers for a couple of months now, Just noticed this thread and amazingly enough it jogged my memory. Tourstage 703... 705??? now I'm not sure.. w/GD Tour AD DI-7 stiff Crazy Head w/crazy shaft -- I'll find out exact models.....I know it's one of the older models George Takai head?? He's been testing and testing .... the winner is the Crazy. It is much longer. Period. I attribute it to the shaft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petethepilot Posted December 9, 2011 Report Share Posted December 9, 2011 (edited) I'm going to go against the trend. I have found Crazies flight awfully low and if you are not fitted correctly, you will be wasting a lot of money. The info available in general access makes it easier to get fitted with more mainstream shafts (i.e. GD-DI) IMHO. I also doubt the extra distance if the fairways are not running! I love JDM but you can piss a lot of money against the wall if you are not accurate with your assessment of your own ability and get accurately fitted! Just my thoughts, Pete Edited December 9, 2011 by Petethepilot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gocchin Posted December 9, 2011 Report Share Posted December 9, 2011 I'm going to go against the trend. I have found Crazies flight awfully low and if you are not fitted correctly, you will be wasting a lot of money. The info available in general access makes it easier to get fitted with more mainstream shafts (i.e. GD-DI) IMHO. I also doubt the extra distance if the fairways are not running! I love JDM but you can piss a lot of money against the wall if you are not accurate with your assessment of your own ability and get accurately fitted! Just my thoughts, Pete What Pete says is certainly true (though the low ball flight depends on shaft and head its paired with) about getting fit for the right Crazy. It is not easy since they offer so many different models with such different profiles. However those who have found the right fit have reaped great rewards and at the same time those who haven't continue to look. This happens with any shaft really but with Crazy the fitting is extra sensitive and it certainly helps to know your own swing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eca Posted December 9, 2011 Report Share Posted December 9, 2011 Yup and being a guy, we tend to think were stronger than what we are haha. Well i used to, then when I heard how sensitive crazy fitting was i had to really find out about my swing hence a great fit. Unfortunately for me, it's my 1st taste of crazy and i just to try another that I think might be even better. Will it be? I hope so :) will it stop there.. Good question.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idrive Posted December 9, 2011 Report Share Posted December 9, 2011 I also believe the better the player, the more you will notice the difference. The high handicapper puts bad swings on... no shaft is going to help that. The difference is the shot he hits into the trees just goes farther into the trees..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petethepilot Posted December 9, 2011 Report Share Posted December 9, 2011 I haven't used a crazy that doesn't go straight (most of the time). I find that correct fitting is all about trajectory/shot shape! Pete p.s. I have hit a few crazies in my time! remember, I have been to the driving range with the Stewart 'SUPO67' test centre!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoon Posted December 9, 2011 Report Share Posted December 9, 2011 The difference is the shot he hits into the trees just goes farther into the trees..... I like this! My first experience with crazy was not zoo good. Second was stellar! But it was such a good experience My eyes were forever opened. There is a crazy for everyone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
potuna Posted December 9, 2011 Report Share Posted December 9, 2011 Tour AD DI is a great shaft, just put a DI-7 in my 3 wood and it's awesome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eca Posted December 10, 2011 Report Share Posted December 10, 2011 Tour AD DI is a great shaft, just put a DI-7 in my 3 wood and it's awesome. The DI-6 in a fwy actually surprised me with gian11 egg & ryoma f3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marty Posted December 10, 2011 Report Share Posted December 10, 2011 Well I have both shafts,.. I have Crazy Black 50 ls 7.4 in my Epon 101, and a DI 7 X stiff in Epon 102. I do like the feel of the 102 with the Di better than my Crazy Black 50. I was in Japan on 2 separate occasions. Specifically to buy clubs. And I tried every Shaft, and multiple head combo you could imagine, it was a bout 4 hours each time for the fittings. Epon, Kamui Works, Akira Prototype, Crazy Black, Mizuno, Tourstage, PRGR, Yamaha, and a couple of other ones I cant even remember,.. and all the different shafts you can name, I tired it. So, My first time the best results was with the crazy black, second time it was the Di 7. These fitting were extensive, and lots of data recorded. And after narrowing down, to about three combos,.. then to one combo,. and he tallied his results, he called the Head Manufacuter, and then the Shaft manufacturer to confirm his results. It was pretty scientific. Which is better Crazy or GD DI? ,.. its preference,. but more money, doesn't always guarantee better performance. on my first time,. the Crazy 50 performed ( for me ) much better than the Crazy 80. Cheers, Marty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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