Posted May 11, 201212 yr Grooves are deep and defined. Very little play. Use a lil baby oil to keep em from rusting or let them go. Lime green paintfill on 5-GW. 4i is plain but will include the paint if you want to fill it in. Surprisingly forgiving but could not unseat my well worn and time honored VG3s Taper Tip hosels $349 shipped in the USA Edited May 11, 201212 yr by yourpressed