chiromikey Posted May 15, 2013 Report Share Posted May 15, 2013 i was first drawn to the wedges but now i'm drawn to the whole set. is there any info at all on these, or more importantly, has anyone spent any time hitting them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIduffer Posted May 15, 2013 Report Share Posted May 15, 2013 Something about those would concern me with toe side hits... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiromikey Posted May 15, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 15, 2013 (edited) i totally agree. however, my typical impact is on the heel side of center (which is the sweetspot for traditional blades) and my miss is even more towards the hosel. my swing also favors a pull/draw so these are really appealing to me and my game. the design is so visually (dare i say) obnoxious that i really like it! Edited May 15, 2013 by chiromikey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIduffer Posted May 15, 2013 Report Share Posted May 15, 2013 I have a similar swing characteristic, but also use toe side strike to manipulate draw/fade behavior. Would be concerned the design would eliminate that aspect of my game. But I agree that they are visually appealing.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ant Posted May 15, 2013 Report Share Posted May 15, 2013 i would be surprised if they just did this for aesthetics with no consideration to cg shifting so i wouldnt worry about cg moving towards heel too much. its pretty hard to stab a good guess by just the looks alone as appearances can be deceiving but its most likely somewhere at the apex of that cut off line. hosel doesnt look long (compared to traditional blade where long hosel would contribute to heel shift most). its probably very close to the centerline on this one, could be just a bit to the heel, probably not more than other modern blades on average. it looks great tho, something original at least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIduffer Posted May 15, 2013 Report Share Posted May 15, 2013 Not doubting the CG for center strikes is within the area of the muscle. More the change in feel and distance control on intentionally toe side hits… But agree on the possibility of original design, unless Hogan did it 30 years ago... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiromikey Posted May 15, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 15, 2013 if there was some real world feedback on these i'd probably already have them ordered! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ant Posted May 15, 2013 Report Share Posted May 15, 2013 the marketing blurb is kinda funny. they call it cog point in the text section (which is what it is a point) but illustrate it as huge oval (so where is it exactly?) and then the whole toe down is kinda questionable because ok lets assume you have a significant enough toe down with your irons why not adjust your irons lie angles instead ? anyway, i think i understand what they were trying to do tho there. @RIduffer i really dont follow what you mean with intentional toe hits, you mean when chipping with your irons ? that wont make much difference. if you mean on full shots dunno why you would wanna do that because toe hits off sweetspot is more like a gamble. you would loose both distance and accuracy but i guess it works for you somehow if you do it. re Ben Hogan, actually he did something similar, not similar to this design but the goal was similar. i think it was a powerthrust model with so called underslung hosel. the idea was to point the centerline of the shaft as close as possible on cg point of the head. the guy was lightyears ahead of everybody else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIduffer Posted May 15, 2013 Report Share Posted May 15, 2013 Similar to other clubs, woods and UT, I use toe hits for draw and with irons a little bit of distance control. Instead of a 90% swing go full and contact toe side. I'm not talking all the way out, but based on the muscle shape definitely on the thin part of the head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiromikey Posted May 16, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 16, 2013 Similar to other clubs, woods and UT, I use toe hits for draw and with irons a little bit of distance control. Instead of a 90% swing go full and contact toe side. I'm not talking all the way out, but based on the muscle shape definitely on the thin part of the head. that's interesting. i wouldn't think toe hits would draw on an iron like they do woods due to the lack of buldge/roll and no gear effect...but i've never tried it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIduffer Posted May 16, 2013 Report Share Posted May 16, 2013 Could just be my mental image of how to do it. But I strive for slight toe side contact for an easy draw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reapl Posted May 16, 2013 Report Share Posted May 16, 2013 Similar to other clubs, woods and UT, I use toe hits for draw and with irons a little bit of distance control. Instead of a 90% swing go full and contact toe side. I'm not talking all the way out, but based on the muscle shape definitely on the thin part of the head. Interesting, never heard of this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gocchin Posted May 16, 2013 Report Share Posted May 16, 2013 Older model already sold out... they have their current GT Pro Forged muscle back but even there are down to the last 20 sets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coops1967 Posted May 16, 2013 Report Share Posted May 16, 2013 (edited) Oddly, i straightaway took 'toe down' as meaning face closed (rather than a lie angle thing) - perhaps due to the illustration, and then they mentioned "disgusting left pull shots" ... which err, reminded me of me. ;-) . It's a weird thing too about whether more weight on the toe promotes a fade or more wight on the heel promotes a fade - google it and prepare to be confused... Pedant alert! I'm so old i think i could have a second career as a proof reader - "powerrful shots" - fat thumbs when you're typing away on an internet forum, ok.... on a marketing brochure.... ps George.... your name is pretty much already on there - "George Spirits" - do you really need the 'by George Takei' also? Bah ;-) pps edited to change 'to' to 'too' - did i mention fat thumbs? Edited May 16, 2013 by coops1967 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ant Posted May 16, 2013 Report Share Posted May 16, 2013 the gear effect happens because of cg depth ie cg being far enough back from the face then you would get club face rotation and ball rotation in opposite direction thus gear effect. bulge exist solely to compensate for gear effect eg on toe hits to start the ball right so that it hopefully draws back to the target and the other way around on heel hits. none of that should be happening with blade irons because cg is so shallow on them you would get a face deflection instead of rotation and it can start the ball right but it should not spin it back left. maybe on some modern hybrid like irons where cg is deep enough it could be happening to some degree but then those irons are usually very high moi designs so it might not be to a degree where it can make any practical difference dunno. most likely a feel or trigger or mental image thing for RIduffer like he said. i have never ever experienced anything like that, would just deaden the shot for me and result in distance loss, maybe push it slightly right for a very bad one. i think it should also reduce spin which would also reduce the amount of curvature but thats just a guess. that's interesting. i wouldn't think toe hits would draw on an iron like they do woods due to the lack of buldge/roll and no gear effect...but i've never tried it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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