Tenby Posted November 21, 2004 Report Share Posted November 21, 2004 What is the general consensus about these grooves compared to the retail versions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZWGOLF Posted November 21, 2004 Report Share Posted November 21, 2004 I think there over hyped Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VAGolfNut2004 Posted November 21, 2004 Report Share Posted November 21, 2004 I had Y cutters 56* and 60* but they got stolen. :wah: For me personally they were the best wedges I had ever played. I could do most anything I wanted with them once I got use to them. It did take some getting use to because at first everything was checking up to quickly. I finally got to adjusting my swing based on if I wanted the ball to check or release. Who knows it may have been totally unrelated to the Y's but I find that difficult to believe since the blacks I got to replace them don't respond as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offtheback Posted November 21, 2004 Report Share Posted November 21, 2004 Best wedges I have ever had! Tour or Y grooves( I don't think Y are a necessity, as the tour groove have plenty on stopping power).. What I find is consistancy from any where around the green- these are the real deal and by far the most benefitical Tour product for most hacks. I love soft feeling wedges and th 304 SS are the softest, they feel like they just wrap around the ball when you flush them.. My game has greatly improved with these tour tools! I have now become wedge ho... 7 and counting of the 304 SS, with one Y groove. my 2cents Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slicktry Posted November 22, 2004 Report Share Posted November 22, 2004 Do you guys find that the "Y" grooves chew up the ball as much as Tour grooves do? I think that in theory they wouldn't.... God Bless Jer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HipCheck Posted November 22, 2004 Report Share Posted November 22, 2004 They're probably excellent, but aren't they going for $325 a piece??? :-D It's still the Indian not the arrow, right? Personally, I'd rather have to sink a 10 footer than a 5 footer, and pocket the $225 . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offtheback Posted November 22, 2004 Report Share Posted November 22, 2004 They're probably excellent, but aren't they going for $325 a piece??? :-D Â It's still the Indian not the arrow, right? Â Personally, I'd rather have to sink a 10 footer than a 5 footer, and pocket the $225 Â . I believe I have seen them very recently selling for 125-200....BTW, if you get a chance to play with one do so.. it will surprise you how lethal these are..truely awesome. It has given me a fearless attitude on attacking the pins. Y groove are great if you have greens like cement, everything else tour groove are good n plenty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
defiant25 Posted November 22, 2004 Report Share Posted November 22, 2004 can retail wedges be regrooved to be y cutter our tour grooves? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMSCanTour54 Posted November 23, 2004 Report Share Posted November 23, 2004 they can be re-cut yes, not sure who does it maybe Joe K. I thought that the whole point of retail RAC Wedge was to have more of a y shaped groove. If you read TM website it talks about how the wedges were designed with "dual draft grooves" and if you look at the crosssection pic that looks very much like a y. Please some one jump in and correct me if I am off base but that is the understanding I have had on standard TM wedges. On the issue of tour grooves in general I thought that the angle of attack had more to do with spin than the grooves themselves. unless in the rough then grooves help because they move grass away from the ball promoting more face to ball contact? again could be off base but that was my understanding. Please chime in and help me if I am way way wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jboy Posted December 2, 2004 Report Share Posted December 2, 2004 It's debatable whether a Y groove would generate more spin than a U or box groove. The amount of grip and spin placed on a golf ball is dictated by the amount of grip the clubface gets on the ball itself (and in most part the angle of attack and club head speed) ...... / .. |........| . |__| ... |___| Now my take on this is that the sharp edge of the tour box groove gives better spin rates on non full shots as the razor leading edge of the boxgroove 'bites' the cover of the ball...the effect of this is diminished on the Y cutter. On full on shots the difference may not be as pronounced and the grooves are similar. I still think a box groove gives more spin than a Y groove. Volumetrically the cross sectional area is greater on a box groove than Y so more cover in the groove equals more spin in my view (picture above) plus the added benefit of the bite of the groove right angled edge ...on a Y it's a flat surface That's the theory of operation.... only noticable benefit is non-shredding (raidused Box grooves like Pings don't cut Balatas as much either)... tour grooves are what's being used on tour.... only guys who get excessive spin would play the Y cutter in my view. I also think Y grooves would clog up with dirt and be more diificult to clean between shots, in the wet and rough, they also conduct less water and debris away form the club/ball contact area... is it noticable ??? tell me after your next PW flier form the semi I think if you generate a lot of spin anyway you'd notice, if you don't you won't :smile1: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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