Taylor Made Tour authenticity

[champx2]

I thought I would throw this out to the membership.

Been hearing lots of stories lately and getting lots of questions regarding how to authenticate TM tour irons (both 300 forged and all the various rac sets)

Here is my open offer to anyone who would like help. I have owned all of these sets at one time and I still own just about every tour set you could think of.

I will gladly tell your if you Lehmans are the genuine article or any other 300 or rac set.(TL2mm, 2mm, +2mm, ns, NS etc) I know what all the original stamps look like as well as all the original finishes.

If you suspect foul play or just really want to know what you have I will be happy to help you figure it out NO CHARGE. Pics are OK for some things but in many cases I'll need to actually see the clubs in person.

I've spent way too much time and money lerning about this stuff and I figure others might benefit from the knowledge.

Thanks and take care

JC

[madball]

JC,

Thats good to know you will do this.Way to many fraud sets floating around..

There are 2 suspect sets of Tour 300 forged right now claiming to be tour on ebay..

One set has a serial number!

The other claims to be ns stamped( but show no picures of the stamp--and when I emailed the seller if he could send pictures of the stamp--he said "No --too hard to do"...) Just a heads up..

They could be legit...but you would have to buy them to find out :money:

[easyyy]

I have talked to 20 guys in the last year. They all said that they have been sold tour stuff that turned out to be bad. .350 hozel on heads that only have .335 for the tour, refinished tour heads, etc,etc.

Hell I bought a 580 tour that was refinished. He didnt say a word about it untill I opened the box and wala. When I asked him about it he played dumb. "Ohh your right I should have said somthing but it was done by a TM approved guy".

[champx2]

The truth will set you free

[putt4dough]

I thought I would throw this out to the membership.

Been hearing lots of stories lately and getting lots of questions regarding how to authenticate TM tour irons (both 300 forged and all the various rac sets)

Here is my open offer to anyone who would like help. I have owned all of these sets at one time and I still own just about every tour set you could think of.

I will gladly tell your if you Lehmans are the genuine article or any other 300 or rac set.(TL2mm, 2mm, +2mm, ns, NS etc) I know what all the original stamps look like as well as all the original finishes.

If you suspect foul play or just really want to know what you have I will be happy to help you figure it out NO CHARGE. Pics are OK for some things but in many cases I'll need to actually see the clubs in person.

I've spent way too much time and money lerning about this stuff and I figure others might benefit from the knowledge.

Thanks and take care

JC

JC .... I sent you a PM. Thanks in advance.

[+TourSpecGolfer]

The truth will set you free

Thanks for the Info, Myself, I don't know much about TM tour just that R7 Shallow TP tours are 200 head only if you buy 200 pieces from the Chinese Taylormade Factory. R7 Tour T##### are only 150.00 at a minimum order of 200 pieces also, Tour V-Steel 100.00 each if you buy 150 heads, R7 TP stand bags 150.00 if you buy 50 or more.

The Majority of late model TM Tour woods are non authorized aka fake IMO.

I'm sure many many of you have them in the bag also.

Do you guys know the factory also sells the retail defects with pimples and small imperfections? R7 TP 150.00 & R7 HT 150.00 heads only. authentic just not authorized by TM.

Who remembers last Feb. I asked Mr. Solomon and all the big wigs at the R7 launch party in Tokyo about fake tour heads, their answer was:

no Tour head comes un shafted or in shrink wrap....LOL :poop:

Tour heads are not sold or given in bulk and if they are they are fake.

I hope they are all in Tokyo for this month's fair, I'm betting they don't want to answer questions about the China factory again.

Kudos to Callaway they admitted they had a problem in China and also talked with me about their remedy last year.

[champx2]

The truth will set you free

R7 Shallow TP tours are 200 head only if you buy 200 pieces from the Chinese Taylormade Factory. R7 Tour T##### are only 150.00 at a minimum order of 200 pieces also, Tour V-Steel 100.00 each if you buy 150 heads, R7 TP stand bags 150.00 if you buy 50 or more.

The Majority of late model TM Tour woods are non authorized aka fake IMO.

I'm sure many many of you have them in the bag also.

Do you guys know the factory also sells the retail defects with pimples and small imperfections? R7 TP 150.00 & R7 HT 150.00 heads only. authentic just not authorized by TM

no Tour head comes un shafted or in shrink wrap...

Tour heads are not sold or given in bulk and if they are they are fake.

I hope they are all in Tokyo for this month's fair, I'm betting they don't want to answer questions about the China factory again.

Kudos to Callaway they admitted they had a problem in China and also talked with me about their remedy last year.

So you are saying that the TM China production facility is selling stolen tour heads on the black market or counterfeit heads?

I do know that TM employees get a very nice break on clubs at the TM factory store in CA and there certainly are some tour clubs available there as well

[+TourSpecGolfer]

The factory's keep producing after shop is closed and managers or someone inside is leaking them out to select sources in HK, Taiwan, and or the U.S.A.

Just the amount of Tour heads they have for sale is scary, not to mention the amount floating around in the U.S.

I have seen the TM stuff in person that they sell, its real, Its from China, Its Tour and is available in bulk for peanuts. I have mentioned this before I have owned real Futura's that were 40.00 new from China, 970's that cost 150 head, I currently have an R7 HT that has a zit that was a sample of the hundreds of defect discount heads for sale a month ago.

If Callaway started doing the final finishing of their tour heads in the U.S instead of China to stop this profitable yet unfair practice I think TM should do something to curb the amount of Tour woods coming from the factory instead of the Authorized U.S distrib.

I have nothing against TM, I own 2 R7's love their Driving Irons and the Monza VT, The 2005 TP irons were better than good also. I just have a problem with people spending big $$$ for Chinese made clubs spec'd out for another person and in many cases non authorized. TM knows about it, they should at the least offer a program where you can check if your product is authorized or not as scotty does. If they have the time to stamp a specific # on a tour club then they have the time to register the product. The whole notion that they dont want the Tour club to be tracked back to the player who gave it away is ridiculous IMO. TM could do something to make this at least a little more inconvenient for the illegal seller couldn't they? I mean if that really was the case wouldnt TM tell its Tour reps to cut it out ?

TM and Titleist need to take control of their overseas manufacturers as Callaway began in 2004.

BTW, I have never seen a China set of TM Tour Irons...Never, IMO the Irons are legit.

[easyyy]

I have to start thinking Cleveland, Titleist, Callaway, etc. This TM is killing me.

[nobogey]

The truth will set you free

Thanks for the Info, Myself, I don't know much about TM tour just that R7 Shallow TP tours are 200 head only if you buy 200 pieces from the Chinese Taylormade Factory. R7 Tour T##### are only 150.00 at a minimum order of 200 pieces also, Tour V-Steel 100.00 each if you buy 150 heads, R7 TP stand bags 150.00 if you buy 50 or more.

The Majority of late model TM Tour woods are non authorized aka fake IMO.

I'm sure many many of you have them in the bag also.

Do you guys know the factory also sells the retail defects with pimples and small imperfections? R7 TP 150.00 & R7 HT 150.00 heads only. authentic just not authorized by TM.

Who remembers last Feb. I asked Mr. Solomon and all the big wigs at the R7 launch party in Tokyo about fake tour heads, their answer was:

no Tour head comes un shafted or in shrink wrap....LOL :poop:

Tour heads are not sold or given in bulk and if they are they are fake.

I hope they are all in Tokyo for this month's fair, I'm betting they don't want to answer questions about the China factory again.

Kudos to Callaway they admitted they had a problem in China and also talked with me about their remedy last year.

I have a question, when a model is discontinued, TM has contacted our store asking if we want to buy a bulk closeout. On two occasions they have offered Tour Surplus Heads: Last Summer: XD Tour Heads, and a couple years back 200 Tours Heads. Both were offered in bulk deals. TM trying to seel fakes of their own clubs? I'm a little unclear on this.

Thanks

[+TourSpecGolfer]

I have a question, when a model is discontinued, TM has contacted our store asking if we want to buy a bulk closeout. On two occasions they have offered Tour Surplus Heads: Last Summer: XD Tour Heads, and a couple years back 200 Tours Heads. Both were offered in bulk deals. TM trying to seel fakes of their own clubs? I'm a little unclear on this.

Thanks

I don't think you understand, I'm not talking about TM selling to shops, I'm talking about full blown non authorized product coming out of the factory in China. There was no R7 TP discount sale last August was there? R7 HT? Tour V-Steel's? This is totally different, when your stock comes in does it come from Australia or China? My guess is from TM in the U.S.

Most often it ships to another country before they ship it to the U.S and most often its Country's with very loose custom laws.

Do not think this is only TM, Nike golf apparel seems to fall of the truck very often, Scotty fakes are huge, Titleist Tour 970's etc..

Selling over the internet to non contract buyers has opened a whole new door to importing China price goods.

TM does dump bulk heads to good accounts, but usually at the end of the products life span. a Good Example was the R7's released March 10th last year in scattered amounts to used golf shops in Japan when the release was supposed to be late April in Japan and June/July in the U.S. This was reported as a warning in the used golf shop monthly publication for the store owners.

[xxio]

So you have to get it off a tour player ....like mine :cool: and not off ebay and the BS site?

[nobogey]

I have a question, when a model is discontinued, TM has contacted our store asking if we want to buy a bulk closeout. On two occasions they have offered Tour Surplus Heads: Last Summer: XD Tour Heads, and a couple years back 200 Tours Heads. Both were offered in bulk deals. TM trying to seel fakes of their own clubs? I'm a little unclear on this.

Thanks

I don't think you understand, I'm not talking about TM selling to shops, I'm talking about full blown non authorized product coming out of the factory in China. There was no R7 TP discount sale last August was there? R7 HT? Tour V-Steel's? This is totally different, when your stock comes in does it come from Australia or China? My guess is from TM in the U.S.

Most often it ships to another country before they ship it to the U.S and most often its Country's with very loose custom laws.

Do not think this is only TM, Nike golf apparel seems to fall of the truck very often, Scotty fakes are huge, Titleist Tour 970's etc..

Selling over the internet to non contract buyers has opened a whole new door to importing China price goods.

TM does dump bulk heads to good accounts, but usually at the end of the products life span. a Good Example was the R7's released March 10th last year in scattered amounts to used golf shops in Japan when the release was supposed to be late April in Japan and June/July in the U.S. This was reported as a warning in the used golf shop monthly publication for the store owners.

I understand, I just wanted toi clarify. Thanks