S2000golfer Posted February 6, 2005 Report Share Posted February 6, 2005 Hoping for some help-I currently play Mizuno MP-30 2-PW with Dynamic Gold X100's that are +1/2" in length and 2* upright lie angles. Now my contact is inconsistant, some thin, some fat, but 80% of the shots are off the toe. I also experience too much draw with the short irons. I was told that the toe miss and inconsistant contact are due to the clubs playing too long, and the over drawing due to length + lie = too upright. So I took a std. lenth and lie 9iron demo of a Nike Pro Combo with SpeedStep stiff flex shaft and the contact seemed to move close to the center of the face but it felt like the toe was catching into the hitting mat, however the draw was gone, which is good. So would this lead to a proper diagnosis being that I need standard length irons at 2* upright lies? I ask because I am ordering the new Pro Combo Tour irons, and based on these details the store's rep suggested them std. length +2* upright. Thanks everyone :wink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpcw Posted February 6, 2005 Report Share Posted February 6, 2005 1). How tall are you? 2). How long between your wrist and the floor while standing erect? These are the cheesy (but somewhat helpful) questions you would get online, for a static fitting. If you are lost and need help and you're about to toss out some nice dollars for a new set of sticks, you should be professionally fitted for length, lot and lie. A dynamic fitting will consist of you, finding a local Nike dealer who has a professional fitter/system. Titleist's website explains exactly, step-by-step, how one is properly and professionally fitted. A simple a great way is look at your current clubs. Where they strike the ground, keys and hints are offered. If the lie angle is proper, when you hit at the driving range, off the mats, with your irons, when you finish hitting many shots, look at the club face and the area where the irons struck the mats. Do you see green (plastic) residue in a uniform, even pattern on the sole of the club? Or is it dominated in the outer half or inner portion of the sole? Is the pattern of contact on the face towards the toe or heel? Regardless of these answers, imo there are many extreme professional fitters on this site, who can offer more perspective. Still, I think they will tell you to get professionally fit. Me? I am 6' tall and through experience and analysis, enjoy my irons to be +.25" and 1 degree upright. Good luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S2000golfer Posted February 6, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2005 That is part of the problem, no Left handed test clubs will be available for fitting anytime soon, same experience when we ordered my MP-30's a couple years back, but made pretty darn good calculations. My static measurements standing on a hardwood floor in Nike Shox shoes are 5'11-1/4" tall with a 37" wrist to floor measurement. My MP-30's have even mat marks from toe to heel, just that shots come off the toe of the face (clubs too long?) and contact gets somewhat inconsistant (clubs too long?). So I am just hoping to do the best job possible in ordering the new clubs which I cannot demo. :o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpcw Posted February 6, 2005 Report Share Posted February 6, 2005 Are you 100% cetain of those measurements? Also, THERE MUST be a pro who can fit a left handed golfer! Hey, why not start playing from the proper, right side of the ball! Kidding. Go to Golfsmith, go to a reputable place. Get professionally fitted...talk to Joe Kwok on this site, people rave about his capabilities. If you're going to throw down $800.00, make sure it is a safe bet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpcw Posted February 6, 2005 Report Share Posted February 6, 2005 PS. According to 'Webfit' on the www.pinggolf.com website, a man who is 5'11" and has a 37" wrist-to-floor arm, he should use Standard Length clubs that are 3* Upright. I think your current irons at +.50" are too long, just my two cents. I am one inch taller than you and my arms are two inches longer and the cheesy measurement system works pretty well for me. Still, proof is in the pudding, you gotta hit/demo irons and shafts. Go talk to the Master, Joe Kwok about your situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S2000golfer Posted February 7, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2005 Here is some Mizuno lie angle tape from today. Sorry the pic came out somewhat blurry, heel on the left, toe side of tape on the right. Nike Pro Combo 9iron std. length/lie/loft/grip with stock SpeedStep S-flex is the 2 pcs. of tape on the left, and my MP-30's 2* up +1/2" are the 3pcs. of tape on the right. Hope this helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timbleking Posted February 7, 2005 Report Share Posted February 7, 2005 Be very careful!!!! Mizuno standard specs are not standard at all, exactly as the most of the other brands. Instead of asking +XX" and /or +/-XX up or flat, take the "real" measures of the club that suits you very well. Then give the rep the exact measures based on this sample. I know what I am talking about, be sure this is the good way to do it. If you're going on the Bay, for example, most of the guys that sell iron sets give the exact measures, length and lie, usually on the 5 iron. You can have a look on the specs given by the website of the brand you want to buy clubs, and compare with the sample iron that is ok for you, and you can define that way the exact length and lie adjustements you want based on the brand standards you found on the site. Is it clear enough? I know my english sucks...sorry. :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benny Posted February 8, 2005 Report Share Posted February 8, 2005 S2000 Before you switch club specs try chocking down on the MP30's. If length is your only concern choke down on the club and see if your impact location changes on the face. Shaft flex can effect preformance as well. During the swing there is a phenomena called "club droop", that is, the clubhead flexing in towrad your body through the impact area. You can see this in down line video of your swing. Too much droop and you have inconsistant results. This was happening to me. I had ping I3's with jz stiff shafts (+1.5", 5* up), they would droop so much I began addressing the ball toward the heel, I would swing and hit off the toe mostly. I bought (after a fitting) MP30's with x100 that are +1.75" and 3* up (probably need to come up a degree) and proceeded to shank buckets of balls. It took some time but after adjusting my address position and "learning" the new feel of the club I have had some great success. I am now getting a much tighter impact area on the face, fairly consistant on the sweetspot. It is extremely important to get a professional fitting, ideally outdoors so you can see ball flight characteristics. With softer forgings you will need to have your lofts/lies checked through the season, more so if your "mats only". Good luck... G Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S2000golfer Posted February 12, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2005 Finally got the pic to show, tried a different host. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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