plus1 Posted February 23, 2005 Report Share Posted February 23, 2005 anyone know exactly what the foaming effect has on the head....ie in terms of feel, performance etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joey3108 Posted February 24, 2005 Report Share Posted February 24, 2005 anyone know exactly what the foaming effect has on the head....ie in terms of feel, performance etc The biggest % of it is FEEL IMO, Smaller % is you gonna lower your ball flight. It's more of twack than ting ! It will increase the weight for 400cc driver about 11-13 grams. A lot of them do it w/ cotton ball also, but the sound of foam is more twack ( muter ), but yet cotton ball is only increase around 6 grams at the most if i'm not wrong. So for someone who loves the old pessimon feel, foam is the closest IMO. Joe :cool: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plus1 Posted February 24, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 24, 2005 cool, thanks for the info joe, as usual a 'fountain of wisdom!' though im not really sure if its for moi! :cool: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siteseer2 Posted February 25, 2005 Report Share Posted February 25, 2005 anyone know exactly what the foaming effect has on the head....ie in terms of feel, performance etc The biggest % of it is FEEL IMO, Smaller % is you gonna lower your ball flight. It's more of twack than ting ! It will increase the weight for 400cc driver about 11-13 grams. A lot of them do it w/ cotton ball also, but the sound of foam is more twack ( muter ), but yet cotton ball is only increase around 6 grams at the most if i'm not wrong. So for someone who loves the old pessimon feel, foam is the closest IMO. Joe :cool: YUP :cool: :cool: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wmclarenf1 Posted February 25, 2005 Report Share Posted February 25, 2005 anyone know exactly what the foaming effect has on the head....ie in terms of feel, performance etc It's more of twack than ting ! It will increase the weight for 400cc driver about 11-13 grams. A lot of them do it w/ cotton ball also, but the sound of foam is more twack ( muter ), but yet cotton ball is only increase around 6 grams at the most if i'm not wrong. Joe :cool: Joe, if so much weight is added, won;t the setup then play softer and CPM lower? As a guide for us novices, is there a general rule eg 4 grams added headweight = 5 CPM lower = half flex softer etc.? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joey3108 Posted February 25, 2005 Report Share Posted February 25, 2005 anyone know exactly what the foaming effect has on the head....ie in terms of feel, performance etc It's more of twack than ting ! It will increase the weight for 400cc driver about 11-13 grams. A lot of them do it w/ cotton ball also, but the sound of foam is more twack ( muter ), but yet cotton ball is only increase around 6 grams at the most if i'm not wrong. Joe :cool: Joe, if so much weight is added, won;t the setup then play softer and CPM lower? As a guide for us novices, is there a general rule eg 4 grams added headweight = 5 CPM lower = half flex softer etc.? Let me make it simpler for you here. :smile1: What ever you add on the head you need to adjust the lenght of the club to get the lenght you need. That is why it's critical to make a decision to go w/ it or not. And calculation has to be made before applying it. Say you really want to do it, say if we are lucky enough to find a head that has to much rat glue inside. After draining all the glue out , you probably can get a 195-198 grams head + 11-12 grams foam you'll end up 206 - 210, that means you need to adjust the lenght of the shaft to get the swingweight that you can tolerate, If you do end up w/ the same lenght and swing weight w/ before, that means you don't need to worry but if end up w/ heavier sw that means the shaft will play softer (IMO up to 4 cpm most of us can hardly feel it ). But yet if you ignore the lenght and go after the same swing weight w/ before, That means you need to tipped it from the tip to compensate the heavier head to get somewhat the same flex as before. In Siteseer2 case, He has the R7 Shallow tour issue and he only want it at 44.5" total lenght w/ around D2-3 swingweight and he picked a brand new shaft from me to put it on. So to get the right head weight is not a problem, because he can always change to a lighter screws to get the right head weight to accomodate D2-3 sw w/ 44.5". My job on his club was to get the right tipping for his requested flex. My guidance to get the CPM as close as possible is my freq machine. I don't like to go by the book 100% on this issue because every shaft charracter is different. I have the number on my head to get a certain number that i think is the right one for certain shaft. However book is a good thing to know so you'll never make a mistake to far. For result you need to ask him directly! Anyway, if you need a deeper discussion, My phone is always by my side. :smile1: Cheers! Joe :cool: ps: 1/2" = 3 sw = 5 cpm ( normal case ) 1 sw = 2 gr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wmclarenf1 Posted February 25, 2005 Report Share Posted February 25, 2005 Cheers! Joe :cool: ps: 1/2" = 3 sw = 5 cpm ( normal case ) 1 sw = 2 gr Thanks Joe. On your rough guide of 1/2" staed above. Any difference if it is tip end of butt end. I'm thinking there is especially at the tip end. Need your expert clarification. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joey3108 Posted February 25, 2005 Report Share Posted February 25, 2005 Cheers! Joe :cool: ps: 1/2" = 3 sw = 5 cpm ( normal case ) 1 sw = 2 gr Thanks Joe. On your rough guide of 1/2" staed above. Any difference if it is tip end of butt end. I'm thinking there is especially at the tip end. Need your expert clarification. Let me see if i get you right here. I'm a bit confuse here :-D If you cut the butt end 1/2" and adjust the head weight to the same sw as before, that means the shaft will play softer due to heavier head. But, if cut the tip end 1/2" and adjust the sw back to what it was before, Then the stiffness of the shaft will stay somewhat the same as before. Off course your club now is 1/2" shorter. Hope you get that! Joe :cool: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTLam Posted February 25, 2005 Report Share Posted February 25, 2005 ok.. so how about foaming a comp head like the launcher comp? Have you ever tried that Joey? Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joey3108 Posted February 26, 2005 Report Share Posted February 26, 2005 ok.. so how about foaming a comp head like the launcher comp? Have you ever tried that Joey? Thanks. I'm not sure if you want to do it on a composite heads. I did one w/ Mizuno, it makes the sound horrible. :surprize: Joe :cool: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdChoi Posted February 28, 2005 Report Share Posted February 28, 2005 With foaming or adding cotton, does this throw off the center of Gravity in the club? if so, which way does it move it? :whistle: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joey3108 Posted February 28, 2005 Report Share Posted February 28, 2005 With foaming or adding cotton, does this throw off the center of Gravity in the club? if so, which way does it move it? :whistle:Throw off? I don't think so if you make sure everything fill up evenly. Like i said on a previous post, It will make the center gravity higher, thus it will shoot the ball slightly lower flight.Joe :cool: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siteseer2 Posted March 2, 2005 Report Share Posted March 2, 2005 For me the decision to foam was easy--- I like a persimmon type feel.... the TM heads in the R-7 were way too tingy... moving more weight into the face settings helps (6 gram weights minimum), but still too tingy for me... Some like the ringing sound as it feels hotter... to each his own... Foaming by an expert works great... nice thwacky feel, adds about 10-12 grams of weight... lowers the flight maybe half a degree. If you like the thwack then get foamed.... :cool: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdChoi Posted March 2, 2005 Report Share Posted March 2, 2005 I know that the last poster mentioned how 10-12 grams will reduce the flight by about a half a degree, my question is will 4 grams of fill make a noticable difference in ballflight? or is it negligible to the point where it won't make a perfomance difference. My problem is that with the filled head, it weighs 206 grams. (510TP)I wanted to take out the weight cartridge to bring the weight back down while keeping the fill. How much (estimation obviously) loft will I lose because of the shifting of the weight? Or should I just take out the fill? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DUBBED Posted March 2, 2005 Report Share Posted March 2, 2005 How is foaming done? I currently have a Nike Ignite because I love to feel of it. (More solid and crisp compared to the tinky hotness of TM) I think if I could achieve the same type of feel with an 510TP or R7TP I would use one of those. What would it cost to have a head foamed? I'm starting to wish I never opened this thread as now I want a foamed R7 with a Diamana. :money: :mad: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joey3108 Posted March 2, 2005 Report Share Posted March 2, 2005 I know that the last poster mentioned how 10-12 grams will reduce the flight by about a half a degree, my question is will 4 grams of fill make a noticable difference in ballflight? or is it negligible to the point where it won't make a perfomance difference.My problem is that with the filled head, it weighs 206 grams. (510TP)I wanted to take out the weight cartridge to bring the weight back down while keeping the fill. How much (estimation obviously) loft will I lose because of the shifting of the weight? Or should I just take out the fill? I'm not sure i understand 100% your question here, but i'll try to answer and let me know if i misunderstood you.Ball flight!!! Trust me It's noticeable lower. Not much at all but it's there. For a 510TP head at 206 grams, I'm pretty sure you have at least 6-8 grams rat glue inside. Thw weight catrige in the back mostly are around 11-13 grams. In my experience, Don't even mess around to much w/ the weight catridge. It'll threw off quite a bit the weighting/balance of the heads. A couple grams should be ok but not much for sure and you better have a new replacement, incase you damage the silicon catridge. The best case for you is just try to take the rat glue out as much as possible and see what you got after that. And proceed accordingly after a precise calculation. How is foaming done? I currently have a Nike Ignite because I love to feel of it. (More solid and crisp compared to the tinky hotness of TM) I think if I could achieve the same type of feel with an 510TP or R7TP I would use one of those. What would it cost to have a head foamed? I'm starting to wish I never opened this thread as now I want a foamed R7 with a Diamana. Trade secret! :laugh: I have to kill you to after i told you how. :smile2: Well, It's not a do it yourself thing for sure. To many step and risk to do it right and still a guessing game untill you try your best. Some head are just harder to do it and other are easier. In your case (Nike head)you need to open the hosel plug, emblem and inject the foam from there and make sure fill up nice and full. Certain head will make certain sound, not every one of them become nice and muted. It's a messy job for sure. R7 head are easier because more access to go inside the head by opening up all the screws and R7 head has no rat glue inside ( at least i haven't seen one yet ). Bare in mind 11-12 grams are on 400cc heads, for bigger head will be more for sure. Price will be varies depending how difficult the task is, type of head, and i can't tell until i work on it and owner of the club will take a full responsibility on the result. Cheers! Joe :cool: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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