golfdr Posted December 23, 2003 Report Share Posted December 23, 2003 I pose this question after talking to some people that state swingweight has little to know effect on the golf swing. They say the overall weight is more important. What does people here believe. I personally believe that swing weight is important. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PxExG Posted December 23, 2003 Report Share Posted December 23, 2003 well you could swingweight an elephant to D4 but that doesnt mean you could swing it!! I think feel is important, maybe not for a robot, but it keeps your tempo in check. thats why i think SW is very important. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clubfitters Posted December 23, 2003 Report Share Posted December 23, 2003 golfdr, swingweighting falls under the category of fine-tuning. shaftweight/totalweight are more important. swingweighting is usually one of the last two steps in the clubfitting process (the other being a dynamic lie fitting for the irons). proper swingweighting is important for feel, but not critical to performance. it's also contingent on other factors & very subjective. jeff/clubfitters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillypete Posted December 23, 2003 Report Share Posted December 23, 2003 most people cannot detect the difference between a D2 and a D4 but they'll tell you when they are in a slump that it is because thier 5i is a half a swingweight light! :lol: total weight is more important in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
golfdr Posted December 23, 2003 Author Report Share Posted December 23, 2003 Thanks Jeff - but I have a story about SW. I had a set of Pings reshafted from ZZ-65's to DGS400's. The SW was 4 points different - no real clue on the overall weight - but all I could do is shank or blade them. I added lead tape to make up the swingweight, and they were fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillypete Posted December 23, 2003 Report Share Posted December 23, 2003 four points you should be able to tell... thats almost a whole letter. but one or two... hardly distingushable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
golfdr Posted December 23, 2003 Author Report Share Posted December 23, 2003 Pete - how much for a driver will make a difference Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillypete Posted December 23, 2003 Report Share Posted December 23, 2003 Pete - how much for a driver will make a difference the longer and weaker the shaft the more noticable small differences will become. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodshot Posted December 26, 2003 Report Share Posted December 26, 2003 Here's an interesting article on swing weight vs. total weight. I agree that total weight is slightly more important as SW just appeals to ones touch or feel. JK http://www.flagstick.com/august2001/techta..._august2001.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted December 26, 2003 Report Share Posted December 26, 2003 I happen to know the gentleman that wrote this article . We at one time belonged to the same course . While I'm not in total agreement with what he has to say in that article or in his philosiphy about shafts and the like , he is a very knowledgeable person about club building . He is located in Ottawa Canada and the owner of a company called Swing Sync . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodshot Posted December 26, 2003 Report Share Posted December 26, 2003 Yeah, I don't agree with all he has to say too, especially the part about swinging a heavy club with a super light swingweight. But the article does bring up some points to ponder. I do believe that you will generate more distance from a heavier shaft & head combo (due to overall mass) as long as you don't sacrifce clubhead speed in the process by swinging a club that is too heavy. Velocity X Mass = Distance. JK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElGavilan Posted January 13, 2004 Report Share Posted January 13, 2004 I believe the formula E = 1/2MC2 (Force equals one half times mass times velocity squared) applies. Weight or Mass (M) is important, but not nearly as important as Velocity or Speed ©. Because Speed is squared an increase in Speed will affect Force (E) much more than a similar increase in Weight. Weight increases will have an effect, but only if clubhead speed is maintained. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillypete Posted January 13, 2004 Report Share Posted January 13, 2004 I believe the formula E = 1/2MC2 (Force equals one half times mass times velocity squared) applies.Weight or Mass (M) is important, but not nearly as important as Velocity or Speed ©. Because Speed is squared an increase in Speed will affect Force (E) much more than a similar increase in Weight. Weight increases will have an effect, but only if clubhead speed is maintained. Well there are a few more factors figure into distance than weight and speed. First off you have a human control factor so you might as well throw out the physics and pick up the statistics book. like he said the weight of the club is a null factor in distance when compared with the magnitude of the other forces. Weight both dead and swing effect feel and thats it. By getting weights that fit your swing you will then maximize distance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yogi Posted March 30, 2004 Report Share Posted March 30, 2004 Im fairly new here but have a bit of a mechanical background and have learned a lot through my reading on this wonderful forum. I have to ask... would shaft droop change enough in a club when switching from a certain shaft to a heavier shaft? Does it change because of the different SW? I was thinking that most people seem to change there swings to fit there clubs and figure out a way to manipulate there swing to make good contact. They do this for a couple of years and decide to try new shafts. If they didnt take into account swing weighting, could they possibly have a shaft that doesnt droop as much as there previous set and now are having problems with hossel shots? I think I went the long way to asking how much swing weighting affects shaft droop, so I apologize for the long post. Just thought it may be one of the reasons why the fellow whom posted earlier may be having problems. Sorry if im completely out in left field G Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gil Posted April 11, 2004 Report Share Posted April 11, 2004 Yeah, I don't agree with all he has to say too, especially the part about swinging a heavy club with a super light swingweight. But the article does bring up some points to ponder. I do believe that you will generate more distance from a heavier shaft & head combo (due to overall mass) as long as you don't sacrifce clubhead speed in the process by swinging a club that is too heavy. Velocity X Mass = Distance. JK The correct formula for KINETIC energy is NOT Velocity x Mass but rather (Velocity)SQUARED x Mass. Thus, increasing club head speed (even a little) increases kinetic energy DRAMATICALLY whereas small increases in mass result in small increases in energy. It is for this reason, for example, that the M-16 bullet is SMALL and LIGHT yet because of high velocity, very lethal. The problem is that, I suspect, most amateur golfers cannot increase club weight without sacrificing club head speed to even a very small degree which is, because of the physics, very detrimental to the amount of kinetic energy which can be imparted to the ball by the club. To increase kinetic energy, an increase in club head speed (velocity) is ALWAYS preferred over an increase in Mass (club weight). GFS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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