jacksonlui Posted August 25, 2007 Report Share Posted August 25, 2007 (edited) Might as well put this up in the J-spec section. The driver is no longer for sale. Edited September 10, 2007 by jacksonlui Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gocchin Posted August 25, 2007 Report Share Posted August 25, 2007 Jack are you sure man? You comments are, very forgiving, ultra smooth and stable shaft, great combo and you understand why everyone loves this driver.... but you're selling it. Wouldn't you rather find a shaft that brings your launch down? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacksonlui Posted August 25, 2007 Author Report Share Posted August 25, 2007 (edited) i don't think I will find a shaft that will lower the spin and not break my bank account. If the whiteboard isn't going to do it, then there's not much left. Shaft will typically only do 3 degrees in either direction so the head design is made to spin more than what I'm accustomed to. I think I'm probably going in circles because the forgiveness is probably from the head design with the side effect of more spin. When I go at it, it will spin too much and balloon fade but if I swing easy, it gives me a nice trajectory and a draw. I don't like to swing easy. I was thinking of tipping it but I don't want too stiff of a shaft, I'll lose some distance. I have a feeling I need to try something a little less forgiving with less spin. It's a balance. I hit my D2 great not very forgiving but super long if you nail it. Anyways, I doubt people will gobble this one up because I'm not budging on price. I just want to get close to what I've paid for. The ballooning bothers me because I need the carry for the course that I play frequently to stay out of trouble. Edited August 25, 2007 by jacksonlui Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duffer19 Posted August 26, 2007 Report Share Posted August 26, 2007 Sorry to hear the club did not work out for you but $600 you are asking is reasonable. Too bad I already own two (or I would consider it) and it is likely I would be reshaft one with the SIX (stiff) now with somethng a little stiffer tip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gocchin Posted August 26, 2007 Report Share Posted August 26, 2007 i don't think I will find a shaft that will lower the spin and not break my bank account.If the whiteboard isn't going to do it, then there's not much left. Shaft will typically only do 3 degrees in either direction so the head design is made to spin more than what I'm accustomed to. I think I'm probably going in circles because the forgiveness is probably from the head design with the side effect of more spin. When I go at it, it will spin too much and balloon fade but if I swing easy, it gives me a nice trajectory and a draw. I don't like to swing easy. I was thinking of tipping it but I don't want too stiff of a shaft, I'll lose some distance. I have a feeling I need to try something a little less forgiving with less spin. It's a balance. I hit my D2 great not very forgiving but super long if you nail it. Anyways, I doubt people will gobble this one up because I'm not budging on price. I just want to get close to what I've paid for. The ballooning bothers me because I need the carry for the course that I play frequently to stay out of trouble. Understood. This is a great price, you won't have trouble selling it. (^_^) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacksonlui Posted August 26, 2007 Author Report Share Posted August 26, 2007 yeah, i thought this would be the be all and end all of driver searching, but unfortunately it wasn't, but I got soooo close. I love the feel of the head and shaft. Duffer19, you got it right with the whiteboard, it's an excellent shaft, definitely worth the money, and the japanese ion version makes it that much more special, looks really cool. everything is perfect except my launch angle and spin. It might not be optimal for my swing but can be the holy grail for someone else's swing. The good thing about Epon is it's resale value, that's the security I had when I bought this in case I really hated it, which I definitely do not. So no worries if I don't sell it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duffer19 Posted August 26, 2007 Report Share Posted August 26, 2007 (edited) Don't want to tread-jack Jack but do you or Gocchin or anyoe knows the head weight of the Epon 460? I recall it was in the 197 g or thereabout, right? Edited August 26, 2007 by Duffer19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gocchin Posted August 26, 2007 Report Share Posted August 26, 2007 Don't want to tread-jack Jack but do you or Gocchin or anyoe knows the head weight of the Epon 460? I recall it was in the 197 g or thereabout, right? Yes standard is 197g Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Droopy Posted September 10, 2007 Report Share Posted September 10, 2007 I would definitely be interested in this combo. However, how stiff is it really? CPM? gocchin recommended a Whiteboard in R as Diamana's play fairly stiff. That's the only thing that worries me... Droopy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacksonlui Posted September 10, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 10, 2007 it's not stiff to me and my ss is 98, to me 95 seems to work better since this shaft is smooth i don't know the exact cpm. it really depends on how aggressive your transition is. this shaft has a good torque rating with feel, perhaps a tipped regular will suit you as well. it's hard to make recommend without understanding your swing. i'd get fitted. so far this is th ebest combo for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Droopy Posted September 10, 2007 Report Share Posted September 10, 2007 it's not stiff to me and my ss is 98, to me 95 seems to work better since this shaft is smoothi don't know the exact cpm. it really depends on how aggressive your transition is. this shaft has a good torque rating with feel, perhaps a tipped regular will suit you as well. it's hard to make recommend without understanding your swing. i'd get fitted. so far this is th ebest combo for me. This is my post to the fitting thread: Swing Speed (mph or m/s) - 90-95 mph Driver distance (yds) - 220 carry Tempo (Slow, Reg, Fast) - slow Transition (Smooth, Reg, or Quick) - Smooth/Regular Wrist lag (Minimal or Lots) - Average/low side Usual ball flight (Low, Medium, High) - Too High Desired Flight (Low, Medium, High) - Medium/High Desired Weight (60g, 70g, 80g range) - 60g (or whatever is appropriate for Epon 460) Bad shot (Right or Left) - Right Current shaft specs (if available) - Accra T60 M4 slightly tipped What are you looking for in a shaft? - Long straight distance with great carry + good roll Hopefully that helps you understand my swing better? What is the full insertion depth? Since it is untipped and inserted 1.5 inches, I assume it's probably plays a bit less stiff? Droopy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forte Posted September 10, 2007 Report Share Posted September 10, 2007 Droopy, You may need a Regular flex Diamana. You should try to go get fit. This is my post to the fitting thread:Swing Speed (mph or m/s) - 90-95 mph Driver distance (yds) - 220 carry Tempo (Slow, Reg, Fast) - slow Transition (Smooth, Reg, or Quick) - Smooth/Regular Wrist lag (Minimal or Lots) - Average/low side Usual ball flight (Low, Medium, High) - Too High Desired Flight (Low, Medium, High) - Medium/High Desired Weight (60g, 70g, 80g range) - 60g (or whatever is appropriate for Epon 460) Bad shot (Right or Left) - Right Current shaft specs (if available) - Accra T60 M4 slightly tipped What are you looking for in a shaft? - Long straight distance with great carry + good roll Hopefully that helps you understand my swing better? What is the full insertion depth? Since it is untipped and inserted 1.5 inches, I assume it's probably plays a bit less stiff? Droopy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duffer19 Posted September 10, 2007 Report Share Posted September 10, 2007 it's not stiff to me and my ss is 98, to me 95 seems to work better since this shaft is smoothi don't know the exact cpm. it really depends on how aggressive your transition is. this shaft has a good torque rating with feel, perhaps a tipped regular will suit you as well. it's hard to make recommend without understanding your swing. i'd get fitted. so far this is th ebest combo for me. For whatever it is worth, my Epon with White Board R flex is approx 234 cpm at 45.25" with SW of D0. It was measured on a Dyna something (not Golfwork) I think. My SS is approx 88 mph. Just for reference, I would use a R if on North America spec clubs but at least a SR or S for JDM stock shafts. FYI, I play GD, Fuji Speeder, Zcom and Machline in S. One of the reason I got the R in White Board was my initial fear of it being too stiff in S. Now I am actually dying to find out now how would I handle the S flex. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacksonlui Posted September 10, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 10, 2007 based on the info you have provided, minimal lag, slow tempo, slow transition, you're going to need a regular flex. If you're getting too high of a ball flight, it's probably because you're gle of attack is down instead of up. Most of the time this is because you're coming over the top with an open face causing your poor shots to be slices and sometimes you'll get a pull. I don't know if this makes sense to you. With you swingspeed and ability to load a shaft, I don't know if going to a whiteboard it going to help you. I'd recommend getting some lessons to correct the swing and maybe go to a blue or red when you can correct your angle of attack. Again, this is all just a guess based on what I've seen and experienced and many lessons. I'd first get fitted to determine your angle of attack and how much of it is a swing flaw before buying such an expensive combo. Don't correct a swing flaw with a shaft profile, rather correct your swing flaw and enhance it with the right shaft. You'll find more distance and much greater consistency. Hope this helps. I'm not en expert, keep that in mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duffer19 Posted September 10, 2007 Report Share Posted September 10, 2007 Jack I respectfully disagree with you. The white is surprising easy shaft to hit and due to its low spin nature, your left and right mistake is much more managable. While it is tip stiff, I do not have any issue with it and it soft butt provides great feel. I just gave a Srixon WR /white R combo to a high handicap friend and he is having great success with it. Having said that, it does not mean the S flex is suitable for Droopy but looking at his bag, I dont see the reason why not. This is just my personal view. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacksonlui Posted September 10, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 10, 2007 (edited) what did you disagree with me on? correcting his swing flaw first before buying, the whiteboard not being for him, or the stiff flex isn't for him? ss of 95mph puts him in the stiff category, especially if you're talking the Japan version, but you still need to be able to load the shaft. I never said the white was hard to hit. I just thought it's better to find out why one is hitting too high with no lag first before buying something that may or may not fit you. $40 for a launch monitor fitting sessions is cheaper than $300 for a shaft plus install. Edited September 10, 2007 by jacksonlui Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duffer19 Posted September 11, 2007 Report Share Posted September 11, 2007 If one is to correct one's swing flaws before trying out new gear, TSG would be out of business and Gocchin would not be able to try anything. My whole collection of Epon, with the exception of a 52* wedge was obtained from B/S/T without demo'ed anything. Maybe that is the reason I am just a 14 and not a 4 but if I have to wait for my swing to improve to a 4, I would be too old by then to try anything or have fun trying new stuff. Perhaps his is inbetween flex but I dont know but it would have been fun expereimenting. Gocchin tried it and I ended up with his White R. Perhaps I am at that point in life, I can afford the luxury of small mistake such as a wrong shaft or a wrong driver. But then you are right about the LM as a small investment and Droopy should get one if he hasnt yet. Personally I have tried low, mid and high kick and tip soft and tip stiff shafts. If I had just stick with one piece of gear and take more lesson instead of fooling around all the time, my handicap would be better but I would not have as much fun. Do I come over the top at time like 90% of the golfers? Of course I do but believe it or not, new and special gears can correct some if not most swing flaws nowadays. Would he be able to load the shaft? Who knows but I am sure you dont need lesson to play one particular shaft. You need lessons to play any shaft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacksonlui Posted September 11, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 11, 2007 (edited) you're right, I forgot I was dealing with a bunch of Ho's.. in that case, I say go for it =) Edited September 11, 2007 by jacksonlui Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Droopy Posted September 11, 2007 Report Share Posted September 11, 2007 Jackson, You are almost EXACT on my crappy swing. :) I'm thinking I should probably skip this club because the shaft may be too stiff and plus, I need a 10.5...and a ton of lessons! Droopy PS Thanks Duffer and Forte for the tips too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forte Posted September 11, 2007 Report Share Posted September 11, 2007 Droopy. Try getting fit. I use a Accra/Axiv XT70 M4 and my SS is around 103mph I have a friend who swings around 110mph and is much bigger and stronger than me BUT he uses a XT60 M4. Go figure. He cant use my heavier shaft as his LM suffer with the heavier shaft. Different swing for different folks and different physiques mean more variables. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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