Black Gold Descending Weights

[bogeydog]

Can someone help me understand why this is a good thing?

[Duffer19]

Can someone help me understand why this is a good thing?

I dont why this is a good thing but isnt it the convention for most steel shafts anyway, not just the BG? The only 'constant weight' shaft I know is a few models in the Shimada line up and they use it as a marketing point.

[+TourSpecGolfer]

Its a great thing because you want a heavier shaft in the short irons which make your conversion zone shots more accurate and low. It also helps keep the long iron trajectory higher.

[Spoon]

Can someone help me understand why this is a good thing?

personally i generally like my shorter irons heavier with my wedges being the heaviest for enhanced feel and control

[idrive]

Now I'm a bit confused because what I thought...

Each iron head becomes slightly heavier as you go down. ie the 3 iron head is lighter than the 4 iron head, 4 iron head is lighter than the 5 iron head, etc. Each shaft is lighter as it gets shorter and offsets the difference in the weight of the heads, keeping the same swing weight throughout the set. Generally the PW will be 1 swing weight heavier than the rest of the set.

If all the shafts were the same weight each iron would get heavier as it progressed to the PW. 3 iron could be a D1, 4 iron D2, 5 iron D3, with the PW ending up at D8

Having Descending Weights (shafts) maintains the same swing weight throughout the set.

Does that make sense? Am I right???

BTW, I absolutely love the BG shafts.

[Bat]

Its a great thing because you want a heavier shaft in the short irons which make your conversion zone shots more accurate and low. It also helps keep the long iron trajectory higher.

That's what I thought it should be. But the Black Gold are actually "Descending" weights. Which means the short irons are lighter than the long irons. Personally, I don't see the advantage of descending weight shafts. My theory is that it's harder for TT to manufacture "frequency tuned" shafts with constant weight.

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On a side note, DG tapered tip shafts are constant weights while DG parallel tip shafts are descending weights.

[Bat]

Now I'm a bit confused because what I thought...

Each iron head becomes slightly heavier as you go down. ie the 3 iron head is lighter than the 4 iron head, 4 iron head is lighter than the 5 iron head, etc. Each shaft is lighter as it gets shorter and offsets the difference in the weight of the heads, keeping the same swing weight throughout the set. Generally the PW will be 1 swing weight heavier than the rest of the set.

If all the shafts were the same weight each iron would get heavier as it progressed to the PW. 3 iron could be a D1, 4 iron D2, 5 iron D3, with the PW ending up at D8

Having Descending Weights (shafts) maintains the same swing weight throughout the set.

Does that make sense? Am I right???

BTW, I absolutely love the BG shafts.

Irons heads are usually around 7 grams heavier as it progress from long to short irons. With the same length shafts that's roughly around 3 swing weights increase for each iron. But don't forget that 1/2 inch shorter for each club will also decrease the swing weight by about 3 points. In other words, constant weight shafts with the same balance profile will produce irons with roughly the same swing weight though out the set.

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[bogeydog]

Irons heads are usually around 7 grams heavier as it progress from long to short irons. With the same length shafts that's roughly around 3 swing weights increase for each iron. But don't forget that 1/2 inch shorter for each club will also decrease the swing weight by about 3 points. In other words, constant weight shafts with the same balance profile will produce irons with roughly the same swing weight though out the set.

Bat

My understanding is that the heaviest shaft is one for the longest club and weight descends from there. Typically these are sold pre-length and that also descends. So it would make sense that it is an attempt to frequency tune the shafts so when installed the frequency curve could be there.

[+TourSpecGolfer]

They list trimmed weight from a range of 112-127, Its quite simple the long iron shafts are lighter to promote a higher trajectory, the short iron shafts are heavier to produce a lower more accurate trajectory.

[bogeydog]

They list trimmed weight from a range of 112-127, Its quite simple the long iron shafts are lighter to promote a higher trajectory, the short iron shafts are heavier to produce a lower more accurate trajectory.

Does anyone have the ability to check into this. I was told with the last set of BG that I had the it was the long irons had the shafts heavier than the short. The webiste for TT list the weights 127-112, not the other way around.

[+TourSpecGolfer]

Im wrong, just found out its opposite, its lighter in the short irons heavier in the long for a less aggressive frequency slope from long to short irons aiding feel in the short irons.

[Spoon]

My understanding is that the heaviest shaft is one for the longest club and weight descends from there. Typically these are sold pre-length and that also descends. So it would make sense that it is an attempt to frequency tune the shafts so when installed the frequency curve could be there.

They list trimmed weight from a range of 112-127, Its quite simple the long iron shafts are lighter to promote a higher trajectory, the short iron shafts are heavier to produce a lower more accurate trajectory.

now i am very confused. i always thought that the shafts were ascending weighted meaning that the lightest would go into the long irons with the heaviest being in the wedges. as for what jeff said i dint even know iron heads were weighted differently. this would mean that the heads are all progresively heavier with the black golds shafts getting lighter as you progressed to short irons.

although this makes sense would it not negate the advantages of having heavier weighted heads in short irons and making the shafts lighter for em? i would think that having the shafts in constant weights would make more sense. could someone enlighten me?

[EUtour]

Can someone help me understand why this is a good thing?

A ½ " change in the length of a club causes a 3-swingweight point change …. however this is on average. With the "standard" head weights (and same shaft weights), ½ " change in the 3 iron and PW length does not have exactly the same (3 points) effect.

And if your shaft lengths come down in ½ " increments and shaft weights are the same, the swing weights will not stay constant without adding some extra head weight to the shorter clubs.

One way to solve this problem is to make shaft weights different. A change in shaft weight of 9 grams will yield a 1-swingweight change in the club. Heavier shafts increase swingweight.

Hope this helps.

[xxio]

TSG is correct.

Different frequency slope.

Sort of like parallel DG vs Taper DG. Some guys like me don't like the slope/feel of the parallel DGs. I would rather shim Taper shafts into parallel bores for that taper feel. I find the parallels to feel harsher on the longer irons.