rbtlin Posted November 3, 2007 Report Share Posted November 3, 2007 http://epongolf.co.jp/products/EPON_EMB/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gocchin Posted November 3, 2007 Report Share Posted November 3, 2007 Good find! Interesting looking. The driver also comes stock with a Graphite Design Tour AD Prototype at 46" in length....hmmmm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gocchin Posted November 3, 2007 Report Share Posted November 3, 2007 I'm not so hot on the sole design... but the rest of the driver looks awesome!! 12*!!! MOI=5500!! Neck and crown MOI=9340!! That is the highest in golf besting the burner TP's 8300+!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HULC1105 Posted November 3, 2007 Report Share Posted November 3, 2007 (edited) That is one BIG A** MAMA... T, I just got a Burner TP for 300bucks @ the GT demo day. Maybe we can do a head to head test, when you get yours, of course. Lung-chia Edited November 3, 2007 by HULC1105 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idrive Posted November 3, 2007 Report Share Posted November 3, 2007 Driver stats look darn impressive!!!! BUT... I have such a hard time looking down at these unconventional shaped Drivers.... I picked up a square Callaway the other day.... So ugly... I don't think I could play with it. Just can't get over the shape. At least the Epon has some resemblance to the traditional (rounded)look. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keyser Posted November 3, 2007 Report Share Posted November 3, 2007 Neck and crown MOI=9340!! That is the highest in golf besting the burner TP's 8300+!! The Burner is a generation old really. The max CGB TM will have higher, and what about the Cobra L4V and the Sumo2 5900 when it comes out. How is the face size/depth on this driver compared to others? The CG looks high? How much does it weight? Does it use any face technology? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gocchin Posted November 3, 2007 Report Share Posted November 3, 2007 The Burner is a generation old really. The max CGB TM will have higher, and what about the Cobra L4V and the Sumo2 5900 when it comes out.How is the face size/depth on this driver compared to others? The CG looks high? How much does it weight? Does it use any face technology? The image is not drawn to scale but the face height is pretty shallow at 50mm but CG is deep at 45.5mm. I think with the release of all the new high MOI drivers the numbers will all be pretty close as they are all pushing the envelope for design. The Japanese magazines will release full MOI measurements as always using a standard machine on all the heads so we should get to see some numbers soon! (^_^) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bogeydog Posted November 3, 2007 Report Share Posted November 3, 2007 What is the lie and face angle? Good find! Interesting looking. The driver also comes stock with a Graphite Design Tour AD Prototype at 46" in length....hmmmm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gocchin Posted November 3, 2007 Report Share Posted November 3, 2007 9.5* is square, 10.5* is 0.5* close and 12* is 1.0* closed but I'm assuming face angle can be custom ordered as usual. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breal Posted November 4, 2007 Report Share Posted November 4, 2007 These club shapes are getting wilder and wilder as days go on. But the club is interesting the direction the companies are going. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bogeydog Posted November 4, 2007 Report Share Posted November 4, 2007 (edited) Gocchin, Interesting specs. With a 61 lie angle, which is more upright than the current 460, plus the longer stock shaft of 46", what do you think this does to fitting the demo? I thought the Japanese were smaller, like me, and they would build these to fit that stature. Seems like this setup is moving in the opposite direction. Is the longer shaft meant to give more power and control is had by the high MOI? Good find! Interesting looking. The driver also comes stock with a Graphite Design Tour AD Prototype at 46" in length....hmmmm. Edited November 4, 2007 by bogeydog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gocchin Posted November 4, 2007 Report Share Posted November 4, 2007 As a matter of a fact B, the more upright the lie on a driver the more forgiving and easier it is supposed to be to hit (I learned this recently myself and perhaps someone who knows why can explain in detail). I've noticed that many manufacturers are moving in this direction, longer shaft more upright for drivers. The current 460 Forged is in fact 61* lie as well. According to Epon head office, this prototype shaft from Graphite Design is specifically designed for High MOI drivers. DO NOT pay attention to the torque numbers, yes they are high, but Epon did a lot of R&D on matching this head with the right shaft and they found the best combination of stability and performance with this shaft. Also, Epon will only be offering upgrades with newer model shafts specifically designed for high MOI heads like the Axiv-X. They are very very focused on making this driver a winner and a performer.... I cannot wait to try it. When I'm hitting the ball I don't need to see the sole (which I don't like) and I've been training with a HiBore XL and Burner to get used to the top (^_^) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajaykkr Posted November 4, 2007 Report Share Posted November 4, 2007 As a matter of a fact B, the more upright the lie on a driver the more forgiving and easier it is supposed to be to hit (I learned this recently myself and perhaps someone who knows why can explain in detail). I've noticed that many manufacturers are moving in this direction, longer shaft more upright for drivers. The current 460 Forged is in fact 61* lie as well. Although i have seen this posted a few times..... a more upright lie angle is not universally forgiving..... When manufacturer's make a driver more upright, they are targeting the player whose ball tends to go right.....(most of the average to high handicap players)..... Making the club upright makes a player hit the club in such a position that the heel is lower or the heel will hit the ground first if you are hitting the ground... this has the effect of making the ball go left......compensating for the miss to the right..... it will appear to be forgiving for the player whose ball starts to the right...... thats why the better players club sometimes are on the flatter side ....to compensate for the tendency to go left..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bogeydog Posted November 4, 2007 Report Share Posted November 4, 2007 Yep should be very interesting. When it was first talked about, I thought about putting a hard kicking long shaft in it because I figured you could get away with some mis**ts. Sounds like this may be their direction also. I have heard of this being done with the Callaway FT-i heads especially the tour versions. When are the pre-orders? As a matter of a fact B, the more upright the lie on a driver the more forgiving and easier it is supposed to be to hit (I learned this recently myself and perhaps someone who knows why can explain in detail). I've noticed that many manufacturers are moving in this direction, longer shaft more upright for drivers. The current 460 Forged is in fact 61* lie as well. According to Epon head office, this prototype shaft from Graphite Design is specifically designed for High MOI drivers. DO NOT pay attention to the torque numbers, yes they are high, but Epon did a lot of R&D on matching this head with the right shaft and they found the best combination of stability and performance with this shaft. Also, Epon will only be offering upgrades with newer model shafts specifically designed for high MOI heads like the Axiv-X. They are very very focused on making this driver a winner and a performer.... I cannot wait to try it. When I'm hitting the ball I don't need to see the sole (which I don't like) and I've been training with a HiBore XL and Burner to get used to the top (^_^) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gocchin Posted November 4, 2007 Report Share Posted November 4, 2007 Pre orders should start on Monday. (^_^) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bogeydog Posted November 4, 2007 Report Share Posted November 4, 2007 Any info on how these shafts play, launch angle, etc. of the EMB. I have a 460 now, 10.5, square with W6BA Roddio at 44.5". Any suggestions if this combo has worked well? Pre orders should start on Monday. (^_^) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gocchin Posted November 4, 2007 Report Share Posted November 4, 2007 This will definitely be a high launching combo... the shaft is said to have a lot of kick and stabalizes any twisting of the head. The face is said to provide maximum forgiveness and one of the widest sweetspots in golf. This driver has been designed by Epon to straight and long. I've asked Epon for more info on the shaft as I am a major fan of Graphite Design... even over Axiv and Roddio now. I say try the stock shaft first and if it doesn't work get another shaft like an Axiv X or new Tour AD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajaykkr Posted November 4, 2007 Report Share Posted November 4, 2007 will this be available with the roddio? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gocchin Posted November 4, 2007 Report Share Posted November 4, 2007 will this be available with the roddio? AJ not directly from Epon as an upgrade it won't. But I guess it could be shafted up custom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoon Posted November 5, 2007 Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 guys i have had the chance to try out the new emb driver shafted with axiv x shaft. let me just say that this is one of the easiest things to hit. it really is a straight shooter with actually more distance gained compared to my older 460 deep face. this may be attributable to the fact that the emb has a shallower face and i am hitting it much much better. i was slicing a lot less with this driver. no matter what i did for as long as my swing was relativelyt in sync the ball would just sail in a straight direction. dispersion was very tight and consistent. almost like my venereable 4 wood. shaft is no slouch either i think it was an axiv x forget which model. although specs were sx the shaft played much softer than i imagined them to be. may consider this shaft option for this high moi head. initial comments and user feedback is very positive. one thing that needs getting used to is the shape. it certainly is non-traditional and quite radical. but i guess this serves a purpose and maximizes the performance of the head. on address it is really awkward on the eye but i can see myself getting used to this in no time. its also noisy. a high pitched muffled sound almost like a suppressed .22cal being fired. not overly crazy though like the sumo. overall i think this could be THE ONE for epon. i know im ordering one soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajaykkr Posted November 5, 2007 Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 (edited) guys i have had the chance to try out the new emb driver shafted with axiv x shaft. let me just say that this is one of the easiest things to hit. it really is a straight shooter with actually more distance gained compared to my older 460 deep face. this may be attributable to the fact that the emb has a shallower face and i am hitting it much much better. i was slicing a lot less with this driver. no matter what i did for as long as my swing was relativelyt in sync the ball would just sail in a straight direction. dispersion was very tight and consistent. almost like my venereable 4 wood. shaft is no slouch either i think it was an axiv x forget which model. although specs were sx the shaft played much softer than i imagined them to be. may consider this shaft option for this high moi head.initial comments and user feedback is very positive. one thing that needs getting used to is the shape. it certainly is non-traditional and quite radical. but i guess this serves a purpose and maximizes the performance of the head. on address it is really awkward on the eye but i can see myself getting used to this in no time. its also noisy. a high pitched muffled sound almost like a suppressed .22cal being fired. not overly crazy though like the sumo. overall i think this could be THE ONE for epon. i know im ordering one soon. have you played the sasquatch..... imo... that was one driver that was straight as hell with very tight dispersion and great trajectory control.... i could hit 250 yard drives that never went higher than 15 feet...... i haven't played nike drivers since then...so thats why i want it compared to the sasquatch...... also, just want feedback on dispersion and trajectory control..... not on feel, looks etc.... Edited November 5, 2007 by ajaykkr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duffer19 Posted November 5, 2007 Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 It seems that all the high MOI drivers have similar design: Nike, TM Burner, Hi Bore, Cobra and now Epon EMB. I understand the merit of the high MOI drivers but I have yet to get pass the look and feel of those heads in my hands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoon Posted November 5, 2007 Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 have you played the sasquatch..... imo... that was one driver that was straight as hell with very tight dispersion and great trajectory control.... i could hit 250 yard drives that never went higher than 15 feet...... i haven't played nike drivers since then...so thats why i want it compared to the sasquatch...... also, just want feedback on dispersion and trajectory control..... not on feel, looks etc.... i have had and played the sumo, sasquatch sq1. this is in a different league. this could be attributable to the head and shaft combo i tried. with the nikes ive had they were shafted with tour ad w60r which i found too soft and shot dispersion was pretty decent but much wider than the emb. with the emb ball flight was mid to high but was on the highish side. this could be attributable to the shaft i tried since it was a sub 60g shaft. shot dispersion was very tight and controlled. like i said it was as straight and predictable as my 4wood pt8 combo. diseprsion was as tight as ive seen with any driver ive tried. others were also surprised with how straight this thing was. was already very satisifed with the performance, imagine how it would perform if i had a shaft more suitable to me? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sarintr Posted November 5, 2007 Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 Hi,evebody . I am test it with my boss. It was very exciting in distance and accurancy. The sound less than another MOI driver. Because it is new design inside the head. I heard somebody said that E M B can make more 10 yard, didnt believe. just do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClubHoUno Posted November 5, 2007 Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 Interesting design to say the least.... Don't know if I will buy this or the more traditional looking 460 from Epon next year - but one of them will definitely be in my bag for the upcoming Spring 2008 season Don't know which shafts would fit this MOI head the best........would be nice to see some pics or hear from folks, who have hit both the Epon 460 and this new Epon EMB 460, how much deeper the face is on the traditional 460 compared to this new Epon EMB - I prefer a deeper faced driver........ Kudos to Epon for making new high end Japan forged and innovative products Now that I'm addressing the issue, is the new Epon EMB Forged driver actually forged and made in Japan or partly done in Thailand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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