DaleUK Posted August 2, 2011 Report Share Posted August 2, 2011 (edited) ... Hmmmm I've had my new epons set up to my Ping spec which is blue Dot.. If this was incorrect what would be the results?? Off the toe or heel?? And how's best to check?? Edited August 2, 2011 by DaleUK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eca Posted August 2, 2011 Report Share Posted August 2, 2011 Dale, dynamic lie board test with a fitter or some tape at the bottom & hit some balls off a matt. The biggest impact directionally is on ur short irons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbs Posted August 2, 2011 Report Share Posted August 2, 2011 have you tried using the lie board test? that can show whether your clubs are too upright or too flat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbs Posted August 2, 2011 Report Share Posted August 2, 2011 seems like E replied the same time as me. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eca Posted August 2, 2011 Report Share Posted August 2, 2011 Lol yea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoon Posted August 3, 2011 Report Share Posted August 3, 2011 Too flat translates to shots right of the target Too upright left of the target. When club too flat it makes the toe hit the ground at impact which makes the club open up a bit. While A club too upright will contact the heel first and shut the face. On average for very 1* of wrong lie could either Way be 7yards off center of the target. Take a 5iron and take your normal stance. Have someone place a strip of paper on the bottom off the club Shouldnhit the center of sole. This alone is not a sure fit solution and the best is to use a lie board with your fitter So he can hop you interpret the data. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbs Posted August 3, 2011 Report Share Posted August 3, 2011 Yeah i have been having problems squaring my irons, shutting the club face most of the time. Yesterday there is still a little draw but not as crazy as before more penetrating straight shots compared than before thats for sure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbs Posted August 3, 2011 Report Share Posted August 3, 2011 C, do you think it makes a lot of difference for the lie angle of the wedges as well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bogeydog Posted August 3, 2011 Report Share Posted August 3, 2011 Heel hits can be a symptom of a lie that is too flat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoon Posted August 3, 2011 Report Share Posted August 3, 2011 C, do you think it makes a lot of difference for the lie angle of the wedges as well? it made the most difference for me in wedges, i play a Variety of shots and i am usually low and choke down so i have mine bent 1.5 *. another important factor often overlooked is grip size. i was hooking and drawing my shots too much then i researched on the topic and found out my grips were to small. added 2 additional layers of tape and problem solved. this was after i had already got my lie angles checked. with the smaller grip i was being to handsy and i would tighten my grip on impact and shut the club face. getting em larger has made my hands more quiet at impact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shambles Posted August 3, 2011 Report Share Posted August 3, 2011 ... Hmmmm I've had my new epons set up to my Ping spec which is blue Dot.. If this was incorrect what would be the results?? Off the toe or heel?? And how's best to check?? Not all aspects of any specific club fitting are perfectly transferable to clubs of other designs. That's why we develop a fondness for specific brands or models, or types of club designs. Sometimes it's as simple as the basic design of the club and the look that's derived from that design. Other times it's the totality of that design that translates to the feel you get from using that set. Give yourself a fair chance. Have the clubs fitted for you by a competent club fitter in whom you have confidence. You need to have confidence in that person because after the fitting you will still need to invest practice time getting to know that new set. Shambles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbs Posted August 3, 2011 Report Share Posted August 3, 2011 it made the most difference for me in wedges, i play a Variety of shots and i am usually low and choke down so i have mine bent 1.5 *. another important factor often overlooked is grip size. i was hooking and drawing my shots too much then i researched on the topic and found out my grips were to small. added 2 additional layers of tape and problem solved. this was after i had already got my lie angles checked. with the smaller grip i was being to handsy and i would tighten my grip on impact and shut the club face. getting em larger has made my hands more quiet at impact. Thanks C, cos i also choke alot on my wedges. I will give it a go tonight. Can't wait. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaleUK Posted August 3, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 3, 2011 Thanks for all the advice! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duffer19 Posted August 3, 2011 Report Share Posted August 3, 2011 Too flat translates to shots right of the target Too upright left of the target. When club too flat it makes the toe hit the ground at impact which makes the club open up a bit. While A club too upright will contact the heel first and shut the face. On average for very 1* of wrong lie could either Way be 7yards off center of the target. Take a 5iron and take your normal stance. Have someone place a strip of paper on the bottom off the club Shouldnhit the center of sole. This alone is not a sure fit solution and the best is to use a lie board with your fitter So he can hop you interpret the data. It has always been my understanding that too flat a lie would result in more toe hits which open the club face with balls going to the right. On the other hand, a more upright lie would be more heel hits and causes the face to close on impact with ground sending the ball to the left or draw/hook. Besides using a lie board, the best way would be to use a grass range instead of off mat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coops1967 Posted August 3, 2011 Report Share Posted August 3, 2011 When club too flat it makes the toe hit the ground at impact which makes the club open up a bit. While A club too upright will contact the heel first and shut the face. On average for very 1* of wrong lie could either Way be 7yards off center of the target. I disagree and it's surprising how many still carry on thinking this - similar to still 'believing' that initial ball direction is due to swing path whereas in reality it is approx. 80% due to where the club FACE is aiming (and difference between face direction and swing pth creates curvature). Check out this youtube clip, with Maltby and particuarly after the 1:30 minute mark where you have the rod pointing out of the face and he changes the lie angle. Besides that , you can consider this:- Any decent (or even half decent) iron shot off a fairway (not gnarly deep rough) will have you striking the ball FIRST before the ground.. and furthermore the ball has already left the clubface before the sole strikes the ground. You can tee up your ball on a par 3, and an incorrect lie angle will produce the same pull/push problems even if you don't touch the ground at all. The 'pull' or 'push' is simply a result of where the face is aiming. This also explains why shots off sidehill lies will result in a pull or push.... if the ball is above your feet on a sidehill lie, when you setup the club will be toe up compared to true horizontal - and the face WILL point LEFT of your toe line even if you make a 'perfect' swing - you're not pulling the ball, it's just due to the lie angle of the hill causing your clubface to point left of your toeline. You can choose to intentionally try to make a 'push' type swing to compensate or simply aim your toe line off to the right and allow for that 'lie angle' to correct it for you. hope it helps! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrankThong Posted August 3, 2011 Report Share Posted August 3, 2011 Lie angle measurement should not be done at a static position, ie like how Ping does it. With the flexing of the shaft at the point of impact, the actual ideal lie angle would be different from its static position. The variation may not be significant, depending on your shaft and swing, but if you're going to get fitted, you might as well get it done right. ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaleUK Posted August 3, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 3, 2011 What would be the correct lie angle if I was say Blue Dot on Pings colour chart?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eca Posted August 3, 2011 Report Share Posted August 3, 2011 (edited) To keep it simple - the highest impact with lie angles is with the short/higher lofted clubs. Do this exercise with ur PW or SW: -place a blue tack on the sweet spot - put a straight stick or pencil mimicking the shot trajectory line. - now set the club down and you will notice how much the direction of that pencil changes when you change that lie angle up or down. - do it with your driver and the direction won't change as much. So the key to good scoring is to have your short clubs lie angle set 'dynamically' as ur impact position should have no resemblance to ur address position + shaft toe droop. Hope this is of help. E Edited August 3, 2011 by Eca Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrankThong Posted August 3, 2011 Report Share Posted August 3, 2011 What would be the correct lie angle if I was say Blue Dot on Pings colour chart?? Dale, static measurements don't work because most golfers do not return the club to the exact address position at impact; the swing plane goes off, etc. Or the flex of the shaft alters the club head in motion, which could be the reason why I only needed 1 deg flat on my Epon/Crazy versus 2 deg flat on my Miura/Matrix. You'll need to consult a fitter to find out more. The more advanced places will have equipment to do dynamic lie angle fitting, which provides a quite comprehensive analysis of your swing. More often than not, you'll get a fitter using the lie board method that C was talking about, which is just putting some tape on the sole of your club as you hit golf balls. The markings on the tape, ie toward the heel or toe, will clue the fitter to whether the club is too flat/upright for you and the necessary adjustments made till the tape shows uniform markings on the sole. You'll know right away if you got the lie angle right; the hits are crisper and the flight/direction more consistent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrankThong Posted August 3, 2011 Report Share Posted August 3, 2011 One other thing, you shouldn't take the lie angle of one iron and apply it to all the clubs, do test ALL your irons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaleUK Posted August 3, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 3, 2011 Can see me been busy this weekend!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegaman Posted August 3, 2011 Report Share Posted August 3, 2011 What would be the correct lie angle if I was say Blue Dot on Pings colour chart?? It would mean 1 degree upright. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idrive Posted August 3, 2011 Report Share Posted August 3, 2011 Not every manufact. have the same factory lie angles!!!!!! 62.5-64* is common for a PW. 64* the most common. Give me a divot to look at for proper lie angle any day. Depth from top to bottom (heel-toe) but also the angle (direction) it enters and leaves. Down the target line?? left?? right?? Not everyone will have the same results with a too flat or too upright lie angle. Swing path must also be used in the calculation. Wedges: Generally a bit flatter lie is desirable with the wedges you don't always hit full. Opening a wedge up requires a bit flatter lie to work properly. In closing... :) It's all in the divot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+TourSpecGolfer Posted August 3, 2011 Report Share Posted August 3, 2011 I always fit to the basics when I know I will be playing a set for an extended period of time. The 5 basic's are: Loft/Lie/Length/Swing Weight/Grip Size if your specs are spot on and you have the right shaft your pretty much set. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamnguy1 Posted August 3, 2011 Report Share Posted August 3, 2011 after reading some of the comments, i notice too that with the higher lofted clubs, wedges, i tend to pull the ball left more. what i've had to do was to go with a weaker grip from my 9i to my wedges. didn't think about bending to flatter lie until now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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