DaleUK Posted October 25, 2011 Report Share Posted October 25, 2011 Hello all... Right I have a Proto Fire Express 65S flex shaft and I'm looking at either changing out the shaft, for something slightly stiffer???(options would be appreciated) OR Do I cut 1/2 inch OFF the Fire Express??,if I do so what would happen to the flex?? Any help would be grateful !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamnguy1 Posted October 25, 2011 Report Share Posted October 25, 2011 Hello all... Right I have a Proto Fire Express 65S flex shaft and I'm looking at either changing out the shaft, for something slightly stiffer???(options would be appreciated) OR Do I cut 1/2 inch OFF the Fire Express??,if I do so what would happen to the flex?? Any help would be grateful !! My understanding is that butt trimming driver graphite shaft 1/2" is not that noticeable, and may depend on butt stiffness vs. softness. You would have to cut 2" from the butt to get a flex difference. That's why some shafts are great for fairway wood and not driver (eg., Kai'li for some players). If you tip trim 1" you could get a flex difference and lower ball flight as well. Also when you start trimming, your SW will change. You can choke down on the driver to get an idea of butt trimming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaleUK Posted October 25, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2011 I thought losing 1/2" might make it easier to control too? Last thing I want is to ruin I good shaft!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoon Posted October 25, 2011 Report Share Posted October 25, 2011 I thought losing 1/2" might make it easier to control too? Last thing I want is to ruin I good shaft!! I don't suggest you tip the FEX. You'd have to trim a lot more than 1/2 in the ip To feel a significant impact. By then you would have dramatically changed the sw And probably ruined the shaft. Butt trimming won't stiffen the shaft to a noticeable degree. A least nit in the 1/2 increment You are considering. Just sell the shaft and change it to something more appropriate. Rather than cut the shaft, I would just choke down. Play a 45 but choke .5 to an inch depending On howi feel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eca Posted October 26, 2011 Report Share Posted October 26, 2011 I don't suggest you tip the FEX. You'd have to trim a lot more than 1/2 in the ip To feel a significant impact. By then you would have dramatically changed the sw And probably ruined the shaft. Butt trimming won't stiffen the shaft to a noticeable degree. A least nit in the 1/2 increment You are considering. Just sell the shaft and change it to something more appropriate. Rather than cut the shaft, I would just choke down. Play a 45 but choke .5 to an inch depending On howi feel +1, only tip for FW otherwise you're changing the tip design in a driver head. Is it control that make you wanna go to a stiffer profile? ie are you hooking it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaleUK Posted October 26, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2011 +1, only tip for FW otherwise you're changing the tip design in a driver head. Is it control that make you wanna go to a stiffer profile? ie are you hooking it? Cheers for ALL the quick replies ..... This is a difficult one to try and explain but I'm hitting the FEX well but I noticed that the ball flight is more of a strong draw... Nothing that I could live with if I aim down the right, but now and again when on some tracks this brings the trees and other danger in to play!! So I had an idea to build a club (Yonex nano speed head) with an Aldila Proto VS Stiff shaft BUT trimmed at the Butt end by 1/2 ".... Now this shaft is nothing like the quality or feel of the FEX but God does it Fly straight!!.... Doesn't matter if I lean on it or free wheel the shaft doesn't feel whippy.... The FEX just feels very very soft for a S flex... Having said that it could just be me because although the Yonex is solid and sounds like an explosion off the Tee the Epon is Slightly longer but that could be the draw flight?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoon Posted October 26, 2011 Report Share Posted October 26, 2011 Cheers for ALL the quick replies ..... This is a difficult one to try and explain but I'm hitting the FEX well but I noticed that the ball flight is more of a strong draw... Nothing that I could live with if I aim down the right, but now and again when on some tracks this brings the trees and other danger in to play!! So I had an idea to build a club (Yonex nano speed head) with an Aldila Proto VS Stiff shaft BUT trimmed at the Butt end by 1/2 ".... Now this shaft is nothing like the quality or feel of the FEX but God does it Fly straight!!.... Doesn't matter if I lean on it or free wheel the shaft doesn't feel whippy.... The FEX just feels very very soft for a S flex... Having said that it could just be me because although the Yonex is solid and sounds like an explosion off the Tee the Epon is Slightly longer but that could be the draw flight?? i believe the 102 fex is 45.5? if so you can trim it down to 45(butt) you can adjust swing weight accordingly. might be a control issue as the driver could be too long for you. this will not fix the flex though. i find the fex proto 65s flex to be alright, nice and low maintenance, almost the same as my 75s. depends what you like i like my shafts on a softer side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaleUK Posted October 26, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2011 i believe the 102 fex is 45.5? if so you can trim it down to 45(butt) you can adjust swing weight accordingly. might be a control issue as the driver could be too long for you. this will not fix the flex though. i find the fex proto 65s flex to be alright, nice and low maintenance, almost the same as my 75s. depends what you like i like my shafts on a softer side. You might have something there Spoon as the Yonex is only 44.5 long !! Last thing I want to do is ruin the FEX.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoon Posted October 26, 2011 Report Share Posted October 26, 2011 You might have something there Spoon as the Yonex is only 44.5 long !! Last thing I want to do is ruin the FEX.. well the shorter the club the more control you have. the best thing to do is look for the optimum balance of control while maintaining the distance. only you can discover that. for me i have moved to 45" drivers. you can butt trim the fex .5 to bring it to 45. no problem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petethepilot Posted October 26, 2011 Report Share Posted October 26, 2011 (edited) Some of the JDM heads (ie the JBeam 425 Tour) have a deeper hosel length (at least 1/2") than others. ie The club plays a bit shorter and the shaft a bit stiffer! This is to give the Tour standard player more control! You wish to consider this as an option as it will make your S flex FEX play more like an SX with out altering the shaft! Pete Edited October 26, 2011 by Petethepilot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaleUK Posted October 26, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2011 (edited) well the shorter the club the more control you have. the best thing to do is look for the optimum balance of control while maintaining the distance. only you can discover that. for me i have moved to 45" drivers. you can butt trim the fex .5 to bring it to 45. no problem I will try this and also going to thicken the grip up a tad!! Edited October 26, 2011 by DaleUK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoon Posted October 26, 2011 Report Share Posted October 26, 2011 I will try this and also going to thicken the grip up a tad!! i moved from 2 wraps to 4. with the two i was too handsy and would actually grip harder on downswing which would in turn close the clubface . hook heaven! making it thicker has helped me to some degree:) i still hook though haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supo Posted October 26, 2011 Report Share Posted October 26, 2011 excellent point my dear watson.....! yes , in particular the jbeam head feels stiffer in comp. to less deep heads with the same shaft. but if u havnt got a deep throater..., cutting a FEX 1/2inch , like ive done to many of them does affect the flex a wee bit , not much, but it does ive noticed. it def does the S Weight. i keep coming down in over all driver length more and more , now my hoard is topped at 45 and a few a tad under 45 inch , and the resultant fairwayfinding ability of my driving has improved along with it, tho while the overall distance hasnt gone up, it hasnt really been that noticeably shorter either. ive got a FABULOUS EPON driver at 44 inch now, which i was at loggerheads to cut for a while. i eventually did after constant hounding by the spoon man to do so, ( roddio s7x shaft in it which btw is SUPERB all you doubters out there!) its a LOT higher than im used to now and it took the sw fro m d2.5 - c9.5 . all i lost was 1 gram in over all in weight , to 330g . but the differnce in Swing speed and ball flight is monumental. im up nearly 2 m/s with this driver and about 20 feet launch height at the range on monday , which was alarming to say the least. im gagging to game it this weekend to see how it plays . i only made it last week but the range session i had was .....enlightening. its not a total surprse tho as the driver i hit in hawaii in august was 43.5 inch and i hardly missed , just wasnt long as i normally am, but over there ,who cares! i dont think cuttuing the FEX is such a bad idea. 1/2 inch makes a huge differnece to the feel of it in yr hands but not the overall performance, and ull def be more accurate . 1 inch however is a massive change in everything. 1/2 inch s might be ur answer. id def try it 1/2 cut to stiffen it up a bit . butt thats me. 1./4 from butt 1/4 from tip maybe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaleUK Posted October 26, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2011 To the above... If I cut it I'm only going to trim the butt end!!, as I don't have the ability to pull the head..( oh er ) Is there any way of knowing the given measurement from the point where the shaft exits the Hossel to the butt end? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gocchin Posted October 26, 2011 Report Share Posted October 26, 2011 The Quadras work fine at shorter lengths unlike some Crazy shafts which are meant to excel at longer lengths. Cutting the butt of the proto though may have little change on its performance characteristics. The reason why is most of the action on the FEX Proto is in the center section and the butt all the way down to the center/butt has a very normal stiffness. The soft feel people get from the FEX Proto is because the tip/center section is softer than average Just to give you an example if you read my shaft bible post, the FEXProto 65 Stiff has the following flex from tip to tip/center to center to center/butt to butt 7.8 9.6 17 22.1 28.5 As a comparison the CB46 Stiff from Crazy: 8.2 11.6 19 25.8 26.1 So as you can see from the above numbers, the Proto is softer through the tip and center, and the butt is stiffer (but still average compared to most) so 0.5" may not change its feel and performance much. A lot of this will depend on your own swing as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eca Posted October 26, 2011 Report Share Posted October 26, 2011 Some of the JDM heads (ie the JBeam 425 Tour) have a deeper hosel length (at least 1/2") than others. ie The club plays a bit shorter and the shaft a bit stiffer! This is to give the Tour standard player more control! You wish to consider this as an option as it will make your S flex FEX play more like an SX with out altering the shaft! Pete Yup BBGM effect, read up on it as it affects how your tip plays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaleUK Posted October 26, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2011 Having re read the above maybe 1/4 inch of the bottom end would be a better option! If this is the case I'll have to take the club to a club fitter ( unless there's a easy way) to have the shaft pulled!! D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supo Posted October 26, 2011 Report Share Posted October 26, 2011 MOST def get a pro builder to do it! esp with top enders. dont leave those things to chance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaleUK Posted October 26, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2011 Just out of interest, how the F do you remove the shaft... Heat I'm guessing?, but no flame? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FatMan Posted October 26, 2011 Report Share Posted October 26, 2011 Just out of interest, how the F do you remove the shaft... Heat I'm guessing?, but no flame? You'll need a heat gun. The more experienced can use open flame. Also, a very good shaft puller helps. P.S. don't try to pull it with your hands... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaleUK Posted October 26, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2011 You'll need a heat gun. The more experienced can use open flame. Also, a very good shaft puller helps. P.S. don't try to pull it with your hands... Glad you mentioned that about using my hands, I'd have just grabbed it!!... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoon Posted October 27, 2011 Report Share Posted October 27, 2011 Glad you mentioned that about using my hands, I'd have just grabbed it!!... Dude don't do it haha. Take it to the builder even if you have to brave a long commute. Wll be worth it. Don't take any chances, these lugs are expensive! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaleUK Posted October 27, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2011 Ok cheers Chaps for all the input ... Just to clarify , IF I tip this shaft by 1/4 of an inch what will be the overall out come?, will I ruin the shaft?? Will the ball flight be any lower??( at the mo it's quite a nice high/ hanging flight) As it is it's playable BUT it just feels a little bit whippy... Just a little or do I cut the Butt by 1/2 inch and have a club which will be easy to swing?? Is there anyway of knowing the shaft length without pulling it??, I don't mind removing the grip to ascertain the true length!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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