wmclarenf1 Posted February 20, 2012 Report Share Posted February 20, 2012 Hi all, I tried surfing all I can and I have narrowed down my selection of Crazt shafts to either a Royal Decoration or a LY02 either in Regular or SR flex. Questions pls. Kick : I read both are mid kick.. head for head, whcih launhes lower? Tip stiffness : Both claim to low spin but I read somewhere that LY02 actually has a softer tip than the RD. True? I'm basically looking for a Crazy shaft that launches and spins lower than a GD DI5 and higher launch and spin than the Miyazaki Kusals Blac so essentially a shaft in beween the DI5 and Kusala Black in terms of launch and spin. No heavier than 50+ grams post cut weight as well. This will go into the Ryoma V-Spec head. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gocchin Posted February 20, 2012 Report Share Posted February 20, 2012 Before the RoyDeco came along, the LY02 was probably the softest playing Crazy shaft (close to the TJ46) especially with the flexes SR or softer. The RoyDeco is still a flex softer but does launch lower than the LY02 because the tip is stiffer and less active in order to give the lightweight shaft more control. When you are looking at lightweight shafts, low spin becomes more difficult as the lighter weight and more torque equals more action in the shaft. That said, if all things being equal, the RoyDeco will launch a tad lower than the DI5 and have more kick. Keep in mind as well the length you will be playing... the RoyDeco becomes less effective if you go too short with the shaft as it has a soft butt which trimmed down to short does affect its feel and kick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wmclarenf1 Posted February 20, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2012 Thanks. I see from the fitting charts that the RDs also seem to play half a flex softer than the LY02 so a Regular for LY02 would be about a SR in the RD? Is the RD Regular equivalent to the GD DI-5 R1 but maybe slightly firmer or softer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gocchin Posted February 20, 2012 Report Share Posted February 20, 2012 Most likely softer than the DI-5 R. You are definitely an SR in the RoyDeco. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevopagolf Posted February 20, 2012 Report Share Posted February 20, 2012 I have a Royal Deco in SR in a Ryoma head. Great combo, playing around 47 inches. Super combo. I can hit it high or medium or low all depends on tee height. I am a 92-102 MPH Driver swinger, wish I consistently would hit 102... I went from DI 6 SR to Royal Deco SR. Little Lower than the DI6. Super Smooth waiting for dry fairways and warmer weather to fully see the benefits but the RD feels great.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wmclarenf1 Posted February 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 I have a Royal Deco in SR in a Ryoma head. Great combo, playing around 47 inches. Super combo. I can hit it high or medium or low all depends on tee height. I am a 92-102 MPH Driver swinger, wish I consistently would hit 102... I went from DI 6 SR to Royal Deco SR. Little Lower than the DI6. Super Smooth waiting for dry fairways and warmer weather to fully see the benefits but the RD feels great.. Thanks for this Steve. I am very6 familiar with the TourAD and DI range ans this helps a lot. Will you say your RD SR feels stiffer or softer than teh DI-6 SR? What length was your DI-6 SR (need to compensate for that as it should feel stiffer if at 45" for example to your RD at 47). Thanks again Steve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevopagolf Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 Played the DI at 46. RD Feels Better, Smoother. Hard to say on stiffness, I can't say I noticed a difference. I am more swinger than hitter. I went SR in the DI to SR in the RD I gained accuracy for sure can't tell distance yet as I haven't hit the RD when it was above 60 degrees....most days in the 40's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wmclarenf1 Posted February 22, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 Played the DI at 46. RD Feels Better, Smoother. Hard to say on stiffness, I can't say I noticed a difference. I am more swinger than hitter. I went SR in the DI to SR in the RD I gained accuracy for sure can't tell distance yet as I haven't hit the RD when it was above 60 degrees....most days in the 40's Thanks again for this. Gives me a much much better feel for which flex to go for. I tried a Akira ADR Tour driver with LY02 Regular at 46. Felt good and maybe just a hair soft but the dispersion and distance was very good which begs the question, was it the LY02 or the head... arghhhh... :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gocchin Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 If it was an ADR driver then it was definitely the shaft since thats not that great a head. But as I always say, a great shaft can turn and average head into a very good one. The LY02 has good distance but the RoyDeco even more. If the 02 felt soft in an R, you are definitely SR in the RoyDeco as it does NOT feel stiff... T Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevopagolf Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 Looking at your clubs, your set up and shafts are very similar to mine. I play an Egg Spoon with M43, Egg-i + utility with M40. My irons have regular shaft Aerotech steel fiber graphites. I would agree with Tario, SR flex is probably the right flex. With a poor quick swing I actually can make the RD go left with a pull hook. the combo of RD and Ryoma just wants to go straight, I have never been more accurate off the tee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wmclarenf1 Posted February 22, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 Here's the curve ball, I was on a Vector last Saturday and I was clocking speeds of 47 to 49 m/s and getting distances of 270 to 275 yards avg. That is not what it is happening on course I can tell you. So even if I was to discount by 10%, I'm wondering if a RD in STIff is better going by their swing speed charts. I hate LMs! Totally confused now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevopagolf Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 I don't trust Launch Monitors at all, especially those indoors, calibration issues et all. The internet boards, particularly Golf WRX are full of 125 MPH LM swings. I am 45 years old and hit it 250 yds with good contact, can get it to 270 with a great shot. I rarely find myself outdriven consistently, and I walk on as a single a lot, so I am not sure where these swinging gorillas are hiding! I would trust your on course results much more than a launch monitor. For me, a touch too soft is better than too stiff, much easier to adjust to a tad soft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wmclarenf1 Posted February 22, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 I don't trust Launch Monitors at all, especially those indoors, calibration issues et all. The internet boards, particularly Golf WRX are full of 125 MPH LM swings. I am 45 years old and hit it 250 yds with good contact, can get it to 270 with a great shot. I rarely find myself outdriven consistently, and I walk on as a single a lot, so I am not sure where these swinging gorillas are hiding! I would trust your on course results much more than a launch monitor. For me, a touch too soft is better than too stiff, much easier to adjust to a tad soft. I agree with your LM comment! Thing is with the LY02 Regular, I found that just a tad soft but just a har tad if you know what I am saying. And going on the logic that I could move to a SR in LY02 and going by the swing speed charts, LY 02 seems to play half a flex stiffer than RD, I'm wondering if RD Stiff is better than RD SR as it splns less and rolls more and in my part of the world, FWs are not as fast as in say Australia (no where close in fact) so most of my distance is carry but if RD its either the SR or the Stiff and if LY02, its the Regular or SR flex. Damn, and the demos that there are here don't have the LY02 in SR or the RD in SR or Stiff. Just my luck and still confused LOL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevopagolf Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 I hear you on roll. East Coast of the states had so much rain in the summer that the fairways never rolled. The don't roll now in the damp and cold. I am hoping to see some of the roll promised by my RYOMA head this year if it ever warms up and dries out. I think Golf Gear is mental as well, if you think you need a RD stiff then you better go that way, don't need you head questioning the club.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robb40 Posted March 3, 2012 Report Share Posted March 3, 2012 Not sure if this helps but I am considering the RD SX flex. My SS is 102-108. I am afraid that if I go too soft then it will launch too high and get no roll. From the chart I may be a touch too stiff but at this weight I still believe that would be the way to go. I have gamed the ADDI in stiff and X flex and could not see much difference. That was in a 6 version. I know that a lighter shaft does help once you dial in the tempo. My fear is getting a flex that is too soft and never being comfortable going for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wmclarenf1 Posted March 3, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 3, 2012 Thanks Robb. I've narrowed it down to RD in Stiff, LY02 in SR or the Quadra Fire Express LD60 in K-f1 flex which I am demoing on course tomorrow. Will have my mind made up by Monday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+TourSpecGolfer Posted March 3, 2012 Report Share Posted March 3, 2012 Yes LM numbers are all over the place! In regards to the Royal Deco I think it's for the smoother tempo. I haven't seen aggressive fast tempo swingers get along with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robb40 Posted March 4, 2012 Report Share Posted March 4, 2012 I am confused by the info here concerning the RD but I am excited by my range session. I just got in a Bassara Wyvern 53 in tour stiff. The actual weight is 58 grams. I hit about 35 shots each comparing this shaft to my current gamer Motore Tour spec Speeder which actually weighs in at 67 grams. I did a total weight with each shaft and the Bassara/RBZ combo was 11 grams lighter. I had a 14 mph wind from left to right that helped some from its angle. Using range rocks that are over a year old. The Motore looks better in the club but it was no contest. The Wyvern is smoother and very stable. I swung hard at several and the shaft handled it great. I never felt as though it was out of control. The Wyvern on pure hits was 15 to 18 yards longer. It was a little hard to see but there was rollout as well. No balloon balls or stupid high launch. I tried the head at 9* and down to 8*. I liked the 8* setting better and had no fear of ballon balls. I will game the Wyvern for 27 holes tomorrow but from the range session it is a clear winner. Now I am really curious about a RD in SX flex. With the adaptor it should come in at 51or 52 grams. If it is even more stable than the Wyvern it should handle anything I can give it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idrive Posted March 4, 2012 Report Share Posted March 4, 2012 RD in SR is handling my pretty smooth 95mph swing with noooo problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robb40 Posted March 4, 2012 Report Share Posted March 4, 2012 good to know. i can see a 114 or 120 MPH swing struggling with a light shaft but I am not in that universe. I picked up 4 mph going from a 72 to a 60 gram shaft. I have to believe a 51 gram shaft would give me faster SSpeeds and more distance as long as the shaft is stable and high quality. I did mis report concerning the RBZ loft. It was set at 7.5* and 9*. The 9* was still good but with increased shoulder turn I was getting a little too high in ball flight. Still it was not a balloon ball. The 7.5 was a nice mid launch that really looked good and long. I hit the net several times on the fly and it is 259 yards in the air. Not bad for a short hitter like me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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