wmclarenf1 Posted January 27, 2013 Report Share Posted January 27, 2013 Anyone played all 3? I think CB-46 is the Black series which I read is for aggressive hitters and the TJ-46 Noir is ore for slower swingers like me. I get on well with the TJ-46 but because I have a Romaro 460HX Black I am thinking of shafting, I wanted a shaft that is black with silver silkscreen only to match the HX Black head hence the consideration of the CB-46 and the 531B Proto. How do the CB-46 and 531B Proto play compared to the TJ-46 assuming same head and loft? Which launches higher/lower and spins more or less? Also, if I am comfortable with the TJ-46 Noir in 6.2 or regular flex, do I go for the 6.2 in the CB-46 as well? For the 531B proto, I am told like the RDs, they play softer than the normal Crazys so a Stiff in the 531B? I played a RD Stiff before and that was a very very little bit too whippy I thought but only just. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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gocchin Posted January 28, 2013 Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 Hi A, 531 is no longer being made, it was a prototype and is the new RD shaft. You really can't compare the 531 to either the TJ or CB46. The 531 is an ULTRA light and plays quite soft. Slow swingers and smooth releases will benefit from the RD/531/513 shafts and those wanting to specifically build an ultra light driver. The TJ and CB 46 shafts are not that far apart in in their characteristics. The torque is a tad higher in the TJ and even though it can be played by smoother swingers, it is quite firm and still gives very good control. The CB46 is a slightly lower torque, about the same weight and is softer in the butt area which is where the shaft gets its feel from. It is considered more of a control shaft while the TJ is more of a distance shaft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wmclarenf1 Posted January 28, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 (edited) Thanks for chiming in T! Didn't know that about the Protos. So if the 531 is the new RD what happened to the 513? And the 519 is the new CB50 I guess. As for the CB46 and TJ 46, which launches and spins higher/lower and if I play the TJ-46 in 6.2, should I stick to the same flex in the CB-46? I hear you about the softer butt of the CB-46. What about tip stiffness? Stiffer than the TJ-46? Will I struggle with the CB-46 if I am very comfortable with the TJ-46? Lots of questions I know... :-) Thanks. Edited January 28, 2013 by wmclarenf1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gocchin Posted January 28, 2013 Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 Yes the 513 531 519 were all limited protos... which have become retail models. The 519 is the new CB Tour. The 513 is now the RoyDeco Magarun The 531A is now the RoyDeco Super Speed The 531B is now the RoyDeco Deep Impact Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wmclarenf1 Posted January 28, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 Yes the 513 531 519 were all limited protos... which have become retail models. The 519 is the new CB Tour. The 513 is now the RoyDeco Magarun The 531A is now the RoyDeco Super Speed The 531B is now the RoyDeco Deep Impact Thanks again T. I think I better stay away from the new RDs as they are still too light for my liking and I probably will have dispersion issues. You views my CB-46/TJ-46 questions appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gocchin Posted January 28, 2013 Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 CB46 is tip stiffer hence its less tendency to go left, slightly lower launch than the TJ and slightly less spin. Its quite balanced all around, flex wise they CPM out very similarly. You won't struggle with the CB46 if you are fine with the TJ. Bogeydog gamed both extensively and I think he preferred the CB if I remember correctly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wmclarenf1 Posted January 28, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 Thanks much T. Will have a think about this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chanaa Posted May 27, 2013 Report Share Posted May 27, 2013 came across this old thread when searching for profile of TJ-46 I am struggling these days with my driver & 3w, which is a shame as my new onoff 2013 irons are laser like from < 200 yards. My swing is smoother these days vs my old hitter swing. Did wonders for my irons but may be why my woods are off. Driver : Ryoma vspec 9.5 with a CB-46 7.2 & Epon 152 with Longest Yard TJ-46 6.7 3w : TRC 14deg on Crazy FW 7.2 & RBZ 13deg spoon on Crazy FW 7.7 I have a Diamana X. 60g S as well. My misses go right ( not slices ), or snap hooks. Good drives are high draws. Q1) based on abv thread, the CB -46 should be a better control shaft ? Should suit my swing better ? Q2) are the 3wood flex too stiff ? I will be getting a Maxima D hopefully, just want to find a good shaft to go with it. HELP ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wmclarenf1 Posted May 27, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 27, 2013 came across this old thread when searching for profile of TJ-46 I am struggling these days with my driver & 3w, which is a shame as my new onoff 2013 irons are laser like from < 200 yards. My swing is smoother these days vs my old hitter swing. Did wonders for my irons but may be why my woods are off. Driver : Ryoma vspec 9.5 with a CB-46 7.2 & Epon 152 with Longest Yard TJ-46 6.7 3w : TRC 14deg on Crazy FW 7.2 & RBZ 13deg spoon on Crazy FW 7.7 I have a Diamana X. 60g S as well. My misses go right ( not slices ), or snap hooks. Good drives are high draws. Q1) based on abv thread, the CB -46 should be a better control shaft ? Should suit my swing better ? Q2) are the 3wood flex too stiff ? I will be getting a Maxima D hopefully, just want to find a good shaft to go with it. HELP ! Hi, I play both with the TJ46 in the Ryoma D1 and 435 and the CB46 in the Epon Techinity 460. Why? The D1 and 435 are lower launching and much lower spinning heads for me than the Technity 460. I think that is why the lower kicking TJ46 is better for these 2 heads. THe CB 46 which for me, lauches and spins slightly lower and less than the TJ46 is almost perfect for the higher launching and spinning Epon head. I have tried the CB46 in the Type D and while ok, if I am not swinging well, I do not generate enough spin and hence a distance loss. The CB46 is more demanding in that way o the TJ 46. Feel wise, the CB46 feels as good as the TJ46 to me. For your questions.. Is CB46 a better control shaft than the TJ46? For me YES but also slightly shorter. Is your 3W to stiff? A tad hard to say without knowing what you are finding trouble with each club but is a tad odd to me that you have flexes form SR to XS in them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wmclarenf1 Posted May 27, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 27, 2013 Oh as for your change to a smoother swing, my belief is that if its te right swing, there is only 1 swing and you should not have 2 swings, one for irons and the other for woods. THe same swing if working should work for both. Ball positions will be different but not swing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chanaa Posted May 27, 2013 Report Share Posted May 27, 2013 Thanks F1. Much appreciated. I bot the harder hitting 46s couple of years ago when i was swinging harder - my tempo is better, smoother these days, and i thought a Royal Deco type profile may suit the driver better. Got it on the CB vs TJ spins. Will switch it around and see. Any view on the Diamana X - will it work ok a Maxima D ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wmclarenf1 Posted May 27, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 27, 2013 The rd is an absolute noodle compared to the Tj and more so the cb. If you are playing s in Tj or cb, you have to get at least x in rd. nice ego booster lol. The rd is long but dispersion is bad. My experience however is with the first gen rd and I have not hit the new gen rd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sundowner Posted May 27, 2013 Report Share Posted May 27, 2013 (edited) I played all the Crazy shafts (CB46, TJ46, Proto 531B and other Crazy shafts). First, because that is most important IMO is the right FLEX. The "older" Crazy lines like CB46, TJ46, FW80, LY01, NEro, Hot.. you can compare with the flex numers (6.2.. 6.7). The Crazy RD lines, like Proto 531B plays very VERY soft to flex. To compare the cpm readings of the shafts (calculated to 45 inch, 200g head, grip on, 5 inch clamp) - CB46 6.2 ®, TJ46 6.7 (SR), LY01 6.4 ®, LY01 HOT 6.4 ®, NERO 6.4 : 235 - 242 cpm - Proto 531 B SR (so should be than around > 245 cpm) came out at 218 cpm - that´s lady flex! (that is > 20 cpm or 2 flex under compared to other Crazys shafts) Bending profiles: TJ46 - easy to swing shaft, maybe for straight swinger or fighting a slice CB46 - hitter shaft, where you really should stay on tempo. Tip stiffer than TJ46 Proto 531 B - Good in hands (butt), easy to swing, but very very tip soft - so good for players fighting a slice, but wouldn´t recommend for players fighting a hook. A pure distance shaft. Got some of the longest drives with it, but not enough control. Hope that helps! Edited May 27, 2013 by sundowner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wmclarenf1 Posted May 27, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 27, 2013 To compare the cpm readings of the shafts (calculated to 45 inch, 200g head, grip on, 5 inch clamp) - CB46 6.2 ®, TJ46 6.7 (SR), LY01 6.4 ®, LY01 HOT 6.4 ®, NERO 6.4 : 235 - 242 cpm Thank for this. Ae you sure the TJ46 6.7 plays equivalent to all the rest in 6.2/6.4 flex? Doesn't feel like it to me but if true, it is good info and maybe explains why I sometimes find the TJ46 6.2 a tad soft at times but just a tad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sundowner Posted May 27, 2013 Report Share Posted May 27, 2013 Thank for this. Ae you sure the TJ46 6.7 plays equivalent to all the rest in 6.2/6.4 flex? Doesn't feel like it to me but if true, it is good info and maybe explains why I sometimes find the TJ46 6.2 a tad soft at times but just a tad. I found out (and this is a rule maybe true for me..) there are: Crazy - Hitter type shafts: like CB46, LY01 Hot, NERO - "Some in between Hitter and Swinger shafts": like LY01 orig, FW80 - Swinger shafts: like TJ46 As a 6.4 and with my type of swing- not a hard hitter and not soft swinger, I can play the "hitter type of shafts - for heavy loader", when going a bit softer (6.2) or need the swinger type of shafts (for soft loader) a tad stiffer (6.7) But that´s is fine adjustments and maybe only true for my swing. For the LY01 Nero 6.4 (Hitter type shaft) I found the release not easy enough, so I rotated the spine from 12 to 6 o´clock for easier release. Fine adjustment... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomcat Posted May 27, 2013 Report Share Posted May 27, 2013 To compare the cpm readings of the shafts (calculated to 45 inch, 200g head, grip on, 5 inch clamp) - CB46 6.2 ®, TJ46 6.7 (SR), LY01 6.4 ®, LY01 HOT 6.4 ®, NERO 6.4 : 235 - 242 cpm - Proto 531 B SR (so should be than around > 245 cpm) came out at 218 cpm - that´s lady flex! (that is > 20 cpm or 2 flex under compared to other Crazys shafts) Bending profiles: TJ46 - easy to swing shaft, maybe for straight swinger or fighting a slice CB46 - hitter shaft, where you really should stay on tempo. Tip stiffer than TJ46 Proto 531 B - Good in hands (butt), easy to swing, but very very tip soft - so good for players fighting a slice, but wouldn´t recommend for players fighting a hook. A pure distance shaft. Got some of the longest drives with it, but not enough control. Hope that helps! I completly agree with this comment. Was currently playing a CB46 6.7 in a Yam driver...And my feeling is it's much much stiffer than the 531B I'm playing in my jBeam 435 which is an SX ! I have a much better control / feeling /distance with the 531. To me the CB46 is a post pole - way too stiff (I have a 96mph SS and relatively late release) :). If any interest, I'll be selling those next week. Offloading for a tour AD DI7S which suits my temp much better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duffer19 Posted May 27, 2013 Report Share Posted May 27, 2013 For sake of info, measured the CPM of my LY02 6.7 playing at 46" on a TM Gloire and its 247 using a 5" clamp. The slightly higher cpm could be attributed to the lighter Gloire head. Fire Express 55R on the same head and at the same playing length is 225. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chanaa Posted May 27, 2013 Report Share Posted May 27, 2013 i must say am not very technical, but learning. Feel the TJ46 softer & better feel. CB46 very boardy, stiffer. The diamana X 60s, strangely is very whippy, gave me a very high launch, may be the lightness of the shaft. But thanks all, great feedback Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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