wmclarenf1 Posted July 3, 2013 Report Share Posted July 3, 2013 Looking at Crazy Wedges lately, I came across 2 different versions (I think there are more .. some with the butterfly stamping) of the Proto Crazy Wing stamping wedges. Sorry for the one small pic of the face but if you notice, where the grooves are, there is a difference in color/milling/something? than the other which seems to have no difference at all. Anyone know the difference between the 2? Both forged by Kyoei? Different steel? One is Raw and the other satin finished? Any difference in the grooves? Who did the grind for both? Both conforming? Any other differences? Thanks P.S. The small pic of the face is the one with the seeming satin finish. The other looks like an unplated finish (the pic with the golf ball) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+TourSpecGolfer Posted July 3, 2013 Report Share Posted July 3, 2013 Crazy always says last batch and that's it but many of their top accounts continue to demand more so they decide to re release. It's happend like 5 times already. Toyoshima doesn't want to go to Kyoei and grind wedges all day. Each run has slight differences. I've given up trying to label them as even protos of the protos exist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wmclarenf1 Posted July 3, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 3, 2013 Any idea on these 2 particular protos though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gocchin Posted July 3, 2013 Report Share Posted July 3, 2013 Those are the original Crazy "prototype" wedges that were made before Toyoshima. There were at least a couple of variations with different grinds and shapes. The butterfly stamping would have probably been the very first followed by the Crazy wings. They were done at Kyoei, grinded by Kyoei craftsmen to Crazy specifications. They were available mostly in satin but there may have been raw as well. There were M grinds, crescent grinds as well as channeled grooves in the sole for some. I think the earlier ones were non conforming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wmclarenf1 Posted July 4, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 4, 2013 Thanks T. Just so I get which ones you are referring to. You are saying the ones in the bigger pixies are likely the original Proto wedges which were then followed by butterfly stamped protos and then followed by the Crazy wings protos in the smaller pixies? What grind do the protos in the bigger pixies have and what are the benefits of that grind? The butterfly and second gen crazy wing protos are Toyoshima ground? Apart from Satin plated and raw, I think some of them also had face miling and some did not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gocchin Posted July 4, 2013 Report Share Posted July 4, 2013 Those ones above are still current. The butterly was first, followed by the wings you see above but they all had slightly different grinds. Crazy has a knack of re-releasing some models over and over with slight tweaks anjd changes. The grinds in the bigger pic are harder to make out but probably benefit the digger as they are not as narrow as the very aggressive M grind in the smaller image. Toyoshima-san only grinded whatever is dubbed a CC-B 104. They also use the butterfly on other models like the CB01 and 02 but those are not Toyoshima-san. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wmclarenf1 Posted July 4, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 4, 2013 Thanks for the clarification T! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoon Posted July 5, 2013 Report Share Posted July 5, 2013 the cb104 were the best! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nudgeegolf Posted July 6, 2013 Report Share Posted July 6, 2013 Did crazy ever release these wedges in non conforming models? I live the Protos whichever version they are but would love them to have a bit more bite.......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wmclarenf1 Posted July 6, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 6, 2013 Did crazy ever release these wedges in non conforming models? I live the Protos whichever version they are but would love them to have a bit more bite.......... I'm not sure which model but I recall reading they did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayDM Posted July 6, 2013 Report Share Posted July 6, 2013 Ive got 2 sets of Crazy wedges, the protos from the original poster's pic and the original production set of the Toyos, I've seen a few sets of every Crazy wedge save one, I've only seen one set ever of the Crazy protos Chris was gaming a few years back, never saw another set, never heard of anyone else gaming them.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gocchin Posted July 7, 2013 Report Share Posted July 7, 2013 yes all the original protos were non conforming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nudgeegolf Posted July 7, 2013 Report Share Posted July 7, 2013 Thanks G. Need to track a set down! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wmclarenf1 Posted July 23, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 (edited) Just got all my Crazy Proto wedges in early this week. Interesting that 2 of them (got the from 2 different sources) have got like a sand blasted effect on the face and the other has a smooth effect. I know some of the protos have a milled face and a non-milled face. How many different face finishes do the Protos have? Edited July 23, 2013 by wmclarenf1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayDM Posted July 23, 2013 Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 Strangely enough, I've never really got along well with the Crazy Toyo wedges, They're not bad wedges I just can never really get dialed in with them, cant really put my finger on why though, possibly the grind, but I've always enjoyed similar grinds on other wedges... Maybe the graphite wedge shafts, the only irons or wedges I have with graphite in them, but when I hit them I never really feel much difference from steel.... Idk, weird, lol, but I do really like the prototypes I have, those are pin seekers, very accurate, and they feel sublime. I'm talking about these two sets btw: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wmclarenf1 Posted July 23, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 Strangely enough, I've never really got along well with the Crazy Toyo wedges, They're not bad wedges I just can never really get dialed in with them, cant really put my finger on why though, possibly the grind, but I've always enjoyed similar grinds on other wedges... Maybe the graphite wedge shafts, the only irons or wedges I have with graphite in them, but when I hit them I never really feel much difference from steel.... Idk, weird, lol, but I do really like the prototypes I have, those are pin seekers, very accurate, and they feel sublime. I'm talking about these two sets btw: From what I gather here, your butterfly stamped pro to is Toyo ground but not the Crazy Wing proto. You;re saying you prefer the crazy wing to your butterfly? I have the crazy wing protos and just a few hits as the range and it seems to have dense like solid feel. Not as soft as the Romaro SX. Quite similar to the DWDs but less crisp. The grind is similar to the DWDs but the Crazy has more heel and toe relief and a tad more leading edge relief as well. Took them apart yesterday and had them spined. Came out totally different from what was installed which was cosmetically nicer only. Reduced the swing weights slightly and adjusted loft and lie so lets se how they go. The other 52 is new and I have not shafted that yet but if these go well, that will be bent to 51. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayDM Posted July 24, 2013 Report Share Posted July 24, 2013 Yup, I prefer the wings stamped protos wedges to the butterfly stamped Toyos.... The butterflys are much spinnier, raw milled face really grabs the ball, they always want to spin those... The wings stamped ones are much more accurate(for me anyway), much more controllable and they bite well, but not too much, can knock em down a bit and get em to check up nicely. Anyone know if there's any real difference between the most current model of the Toyoshima Crazy wedges and the previous model(s), besides the fact that they're plated? Is the grind any different? I've always wanted to try the DWD wedges, but I always get sidetracked, a few years ago I bought a set of Gold's custom wedges(which are absolutely tops)instead of those and I just ordered a set of the Buchi wedges.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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