ant Posted December 18, 2013 Report Share Posted December 18, 2013 yeah i think 430 isnt gonna be very forgiving because those are not as high moi as some of their previous designs but look at the bright side its gonna be more workable for exactly the same reason if you are into working your driver that is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ant Posted December 18, 2013 Report Share Posted December 18, 2013 now this is weird. tm officially took the wraps off sldr 430 usdm version and the specs list 420cc for 9 loft and 464cc (wtf?! 460 is supposed to be max allowed) for 10.5 and 12 lofts. jdm version is spec'ed at 430cc and comes in 10 and 11 lofts. are they really different heads or tm marketing simply cant get hold of proper specs for their website and input them without typos ? or 420cc-464cc and lofts from 9 to 12 are new manufacturing tolerances for tm and then they sort accordingly ? ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vertigo88 Posted December 19, 2013 Report Share Posted December 19, 2013 now this is weird. tm officially took the wraps off sldr 430 usdm version and the specs list 420cc for 9 loft and 464cc (wtf?! 460 is supposed to be max allowed) for 10.5 and 12 lofts. jdm version is spec'ed at 430cc and comes in 10 and 11 lofts. are they really different heads or tm marketing simply cant get hold of proper specs for their website and input them without typos ? or 420cc-464cc and lofts from 9 to 12 are new manufacturing tolerances for tm and then they sort accordingly ? ;) I saw that too. I will assume that they will correct it soon, when they realize they are advertising a non-conforming driver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
driverhead Posted December 19, 2013 Report Share Posted December 19, 2013 I saw that too. I will assume that they will correct it soon, when they realize they are advertising a non-conforming driver. I saw that also. Cant believe that wasn't caught.. Here are specs from another source. SLDR 430 / 9° RH 59-62° 430cc 45.25" D4 SLDR 430 / 10.5°RH/LH 59-62° 430cc 45.25" D4 SLDR 430 / 12° RH 59-62° 430cc 45.25" D4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ant Posted December 19, 2013 Report Share Posted December 19, 2013 so jdm version is 56 lie angle and usdm is 59-62 ? tm sites state 56 for both. oh well i guess its best to wait til both are in the wild and all these things are known for sure. not in rush til spring anyway. another interesting thing i read about that sldr adapter which i didnt realize is that its very simple system but the less loft you adjust for the more open the face goes too. i think i will be getting this one in highest loft available and then just dialing it down a bit and boom more open face. in any case from initial reviews it sounds like i'm gonna need all the loft i can get to max it out anyway so that should work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duffer19 Posted December 20, 2013 Report Share Posted December 20, 2013 I am a little confused by the Gloire line up. The new driver as seen here is a separate and cheaper (by 20K yen) than the Reserve with the same 70 layer urethane face. I assume this driver is to replace the Ti face 1st generation but not the Reserve which is still on the lineup. If it is effectively the same tech, why would anyone pay the premium and get the Reserve? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gocchin Posted December 29, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 29, 2013 Updated the third post with FW and UT pics. These are damn easy to hit and HUGE distance!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idrive Posted December 29, 2013 Report Share Posted December 29, 2013 What I want to see is the 430TP and new Gloire in a shootout Which is longer, which is more forgiving although I would assume the Gloire will be more forgiving but head to head is one longer than the other? So, I'll be in Vegas in about 10 days so if a volunteer is needed.... just sayin..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
driverhead Posted January 5, 2014 Report Share Posted January 5, 2014 (edited) What I want to see is the 430TP and new Gloire in a shootout Which is longer, which is more forgiving although I would assume the Gloire will be more forgiving but head to head is one longer than the other? Well..... I happen to have both. I just got the US version of the 430, but haven't even had a chance to hit it yet as winter is so cold here even the heated ranges are closed. Temps haven't been out of the teens and 20s all weeK and we have 6 inches of snow on the ground. However I have all 3 versions of the GLORIE. i have had a chance to try the new GLORIE for the last 3 weeks to compare it against the previous 2 versions. I am a big fan of the original Glorie. Once I got the right shaft (A CRAZY PROTOTYPE) I got really dialed in with it and hit this controlled high draw that is automatic. The Glorie reserve was probably longer and lower hitting, but I basically hit a straight ball with it (yet I couldnt get it dialed in) The head has a big signature, and when I hit it pure it was a very impressive package. I have to be honest here and last spring I put the reserve on the back shelf because the SYARD T388 AND Ryoma Maxina V spec moved to the A BAG followed up by the FOURTEEN CT 112.. In the limited time Ive have hit the new GLORIE, it seems to combine the ball flight of the 1st Glorie with the pop of the Reserve. It has a hotmelted feel at impact. I have a 10.5 and you have to set it at it lowest loft to square the face at address and bring the ballflight down. similar to the 1st Glorie. I havent played in temps outside of mid 40 temps in 2 months so distance is less than normal for any club, The new Glorie Stock SHAFT IS VERY SOFT. i PUT A TRPX Messenger in IT (sleeve is the same as SLDR, R1 etc, not R11 etc). So far so good. Mid/high draw. It will probably be 2 months before a decent day above 60 happens but it will be mid 40s today, and hopefully the heated ranges are open. If so I will put it head to head against the 430. (i DO HAVE 2 460 SLDRS). Loft is your friend. The more loft the better. My best SLDR setup is a 12 degree set to 13.5 with a KUSSULA BLUE. My 10.5 SLDR is set to 12 degrees with a Fubuki K 50. (The weight is one notch left of center to the draw side. . i have a few tour sleeves that can bump the loft up 2 degrees, and will put a TRPX Ravie in there to add to the launch. Since the SLDR 430 is even lower hitting than the 460 I would suggest as much loft as possible. I have been reading several mixed posts on the SLDRS on several boards. 1st off if you have the right fit dialed in the SLDR is a goto driver. Most tour pros have the SLDR set 11 degrees and up. Several people on these boards are going under 10 degrees and having to struggle. Edited January 16, 2014 by driverhead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+TourSpecGolfer Posted January 5, 2014 Report Share Posted January 5, 2014 Well..... I happen to have both. I just got the US version of the 430, but haven't even had a chance to hit it yet as winter is so cold here even the heated ranges are closed. Temps haven't been out of the teens and 20s all weeK and we have 6 inches of snow on the ground. However I have all 3 versions of the GLORIE. i have had a chance to try the new GLORIE for the last 3 weeks to compare it against the previous 2 versions. I am a big fan of the original Glorie. Once I got the right shaft (A CRAZY PROTOTYPE) I got really dialed in with it and hit this controlled high draw that is automatic. The Glorie reserve was probably longer and lower hitting, but I basically hit a straight ball with it (yet I couldnt get it dialed in) The head has a big signature, and when I hit it pure it was a very impressive package. I have to be honest here and last spring I put the reserve on the back shelf because the SYARD T388 AND Ryoma Maxina V spec moved to the A BAG. In the limited time Ive have hit the new GLORIE, it seems to combine the ball flight of the 1st Glorie with the pop of the Reserve. It has a hotmelted feel at impact. I have a 10.5 and you have to set it at it lowest loft to square the face at address and bring the ballflight down. similar to the 1st Glorie. I havent played in temps outside of mid 40 temps in 2 months so distance is less than normal for any club, The new Glorie Stock SHAFT IS VERY SOFT. i PUT A TRPX Messenger in IT (sleeve is the same as SLDR, R1 etc, not R11 etc). So far so good. Mid/high draw. It will probably be 2 months before a decent day above 60 happens but it will be mid 40s today, and hopefully the heated ranges are open. If so I will put it head to head against the 430. (i DO HAVE 2 460 SLDRS). Loft is your friend. The more loft the better. My best SLDR setup is a 12 degree set to 13.5 with a KUSSULA BLUE. My 10.5 SLDR is set to 12 degrees with a Fubuki K 50. (The weight is one notch left of center to the draw side. . i have a few tour sleeves that can bump the loft up 2 degrees, and will put a TRPX Ravie in there to add to the launch. Since the SLDR 430 is even lower hitting than the 460 I would suggest as much loft as possible. I have been reading several mixed posts on the SLDRS on several boards. 1st off if you have the right fit dialed in the SLDR is a goto driver. Most tour pros have the SLDR set 11 degrees and up. Several people on these boards are going under 10 degrees and having to struggle. Since you have both the JDM 430 and USDM 430 would you mind sharing any differences you notice visually? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
driverhead Posted January 5, 2014 Report Share Posted January 5, 2014 (edited) Since you have both the JDM 430 and USDM 430 would you mind sharing any differences you notice visually? I should have written the response better. The both response was to the question comparing the 2014 Glorie to the 430 SLDR. i ONLY HAVE THE US version of the 430. The only difference I can see head wise is the JDM has a dark colored face. The crown is similar in both JDM and US. versions. I did get to the range today. Not a good environment to get a real assessment. Temps in the mid 30s , and range rock balls due to the extreme cold. The SLDR 430 was not hard to hit at all. ( HOWEVER i HAVE A TOUR SLEEVE THAT BUMPED THE LOFT UP TO 14 DEGREES. IT IS NEEDED AS THIS IS A SUPER LOW SPIN HEAD.. Temps are projected to be near 50 by the end of the week. If the rain melts most or all of the snow before the arctic air hits tuesday, hopefully I can get to the course by next Friday or SAT. If so I will put the 2014 GLORIE head to head against the 430 SLDR. Edited January 16, 2014 by driverhead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ant Posted January 6, 2014 Report Share Posted January 6, 2014 i did a quick stock pics comparison and it appears the advertized lie angle of 56 for jdm head is a typo in their specs sheet. same head in different lofts painted black ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+TourSpecGolfer Posted January 6, 2014 Report Share Posted January 6, 2014 Yes so this is what im curious about. Are there any differences besides pain & shaft options? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
driverhead Posted January 9, 2014 Report Share Posted January 9, 2014 The touring pros have asked Taylormade to make a 14 degree version of the 430. I have the 430 12 degree set to 13.8 degrees, and it flights like a Titleist 913 d3 at 9.5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gocchin Posted January 10, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2014 The lie angle is NOT a typo. It is in fact 56* and this is confirmed by Taylormade Japan. They said if it was a typo they would have corrected it by now since the driver has been out over a month and the 56* is on all their literature as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ant Posted January 11, 2014 Report Share Posted January 11, 2014 thats interesting and for me might be the only reason to grab jdm version. if its not too much trouble for you to quickly compare your demo club with any other driver you have for which you know the lie angle score lines parallel just to see if one is noticeably flatter than the other, or better yet if you have a machine to throw it on and measure quickly ? The lie angle is NOT a typo. It is in fact 56* and this is confirmed by Taylormade Japan. They said if it was a typo they would have corrected it by now since the driver has been out over a month and the 56* is on all their literature as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gocchin Posted January 11, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 11, 2014 Hi Anton, Actually TM was kind enough to already measure it for me and let me know the specs when I asked. While the lie angle of the club head is 56*, this is with the center of the sole laid flat in a loft/lie gauge, the lie angle of the head is 56*, they already confirmed to me the score lines are not parallell to the ground but about 2* more upright. They also hinted at a slightly deeper CG which equals a slightly larger gravity angle thus the flatter lie to compensate. I no longer have the demo here, had to return it to TM Japan but I can see if I can get another one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ant Posted January 11, 2014 Report Share Posted January 11, 2014 thats cool Tario, i didnt realize they have actually measured one to make sure! good call too considering bs specs they put on US site prior to launch and thats kinda the reason of me being skeptical of their specs. do they actually design those heads now so that the head normal position at address is toe up ? i mean i do that, lots of other folks do that but i always thought those heads are actually designed so that the score lines meant to run parallel to the ground. so thats interesting. deeper cg is interesting too, should launch slightly higher than int version then, have you personally found its harder to launch than other heads of same loft ? seen some posts over at wrx some people say its a bitch to launch optimal angle even at higher lofts which kinda rings true to tm idea behind it. just wondering if jdm head has any practical difference to int 430 in that regard if it has different cg position. Hi Anton, Actually TM was kind enough to already measure it for me and let me know the specs when I asked. While the lie angle of the club head is 56*, this is with the center of the sole laid flat in a loft/lie gauge, the lie angle of the head is 56*, they already confirmed to me the score lines are not parallell to the ground but about 2* more upright. They also hinted at a slightly deeper CG which equals a slightly larger gravity angle thus the flatter lie to compensate. I no longer have the demo here, had to return it to TM Japan but I can see if I can get another one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
driverhead Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 (edited) Updated the third post with FW and UT pics. These are damn easy to hit and HUGE distance!! The weather has been awful this winter, and I havent played a round in temps above 44 degrees in 2 months. That said I finally got out and had a chance to put the new Gloire 3w into play the for 2 rounds. It is very impressive. It has great feel and balance and might be the easiest and best fw Ive ever hit off the deck to get a great mid high ballflight. It plays very neutral. It is also as good off the tee. We have a short par 4 that is 272 yards slightly downhill from the winter tees. . I put it on the front fringe with the 3w this past Monday. I am using the stock setup and like the weight and balance. The 3w has bottom weights up near the front and the SLDR/JETSPEED speed slot in the sole. Edited January 16, 2014 by driverhead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
driverhead Posted January 17, 2014 Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 (edited) I should have written the response better. The both response was to the question comparing the 2014 Glorie to the 430 SLDR. i ONLY HAVE THE US version of the 430. The only difference I can see head wise is the JDM has a dark colored face. The crown is similar in both JDM and US. versions. I did get to the range today. Not a good environment to get a real assessment. Temps in the mid 30s , and range rock balls due to the extreme cold. The SLDR 430 was not hard to hit at all. ( HOWEVER i HAVE A TOUR SLEEVE THAT BUMPED THE LOFT UP TO 14 DEGREES. IT IS NEEDED AS THIS IS A SUPER LOW SPIN HEAD.. Temps are projected to be near 50 by the end of the week. If the rain melts most or all of the snow before the arctic air hits tuesday, hopefully I can get to the course by next Friday or SAT. If so I will put the 2014 GLORIE head to head against the 430 SLDR. Update JAN 16. Played in 36 degrees today that felt much colder. 9 holes was enough. The SLDR 430 is not the best club for swamp conditions for most mortals. Get as much loft as you can handle. You must have a different mindset with this club and PUT THE EGO aside. Taylor is coming up with a 14 degree 460 SLDR that can be bumped to 16 degrees.. I am putting the 430 on hold until it warms up and dries out this spring. The new Glorie driver however is great for cold weather conditions. Easy carry and nice shock dampening. Edited January 17, 2014 by driverhead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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