PIC of lehman grind and retail comparison!

[jackblack73]

Sorry if this has been mentioned, but I didn't read all of the longer posts. But I had heard that the Lehmans have a thicker face. Have you measured this to see if it's true?

[haribo]

Kr0nik, Joe.

Thank you for making with way better words the point I tried to make.

I appreciate that.

haribo

P.S.

There are no emotions involved on my side about this topic. Frankly, I couldn't care less. I just find some people's sales tactic's annoying and misleading. Completely dislike some people's need to create hype in order to make a quick buck. (That's one of many reasons why I left a certain other forum.)

[Tiger3]

I hear you. :)

The more I look at the small differences the head has visually, it would be hard to know unless you had 2 sets right there. Meaning I would never buy a refinished set of the Lehman grinds. You could get jacked real fast. Even if the face and toplines are thicker, how would you know unless you were a seasoned veteren w/ these heads or you had another set to compare them to?

Original or nothing for this head. Man they look good though. I cant deny them. They look way more ground down in person then in those photos. They set-up awsome.

[joey3108]

"You are right! :idea: I'll probably get a new young cute girlfriend. It'll last a year at least. 8O :wink:"

Good idea Joe.....there are plenty of single 40 somethings floating around out there..... :P[/i]

Jimmy,

Cosmetically "might" look old But the engine is stil in a prime condition and the driver are damn good at it! :) LOL

BTW, 40's is young for ya? Geez! you are loosing your touch. :P

J

[tsg4tch]

I had a set of Lehmans and compared them to my 300s(no serial #, "old" sole) as well. The "Box Toe" is just a visual preference and does not affect performance outside of the slight weight repositioned. Like the photo from address shows, I actually preferred the the squarer toe as it lined up more intuitively for me. I was surprised about that.

But the biggest and most important difference was the leading/trailing edge grinds and the heel to toe grind. That's what affects the performance of the head.

The Lehmans were a little meatier in areas, heavier(surprised), and were perfectly weight spaced.

Didn't get a chance to shaft/hit them before the eBay set sold for $2,200, and I figured that would be the top of the market(and I loved my Zodias), so I sold 'em. My 300s without a serial # are sweet feeling sticks, but they do dig.

[Tiger3]

I had a set of Lehmans and compared them to my 300s(no serial #, "old" sole) as well. The "Box Toe" is just a visual preference and does not affect performance outside of the slight weight repositioned. Like the photo from address shows, I actually preferred the the squarer toe as it lined up more intuitively for me. I was surprised about that.

But the biggest and most important difference was the leading/trailing edge grinds and the heel to toe grind. That's what affects the performance of the head.

The Lehmans were a little meatier in areas, heavier(surprised), and were perfectly weight spaced.

Didn't get a chance to shaft/hit them before the eBay set sold for $2,200, and I figured that would be the top of the market(and I loved my Zodias), so I sold 'em. My 300s without a serial # are sweet feeling sticks, but they do dig.

Looks like you sold at a good time. There has been a set on BST for a week that cant move for 900.00. It is 8/10.

[jat]

They sure look nice regardless of the arguments for or against them (pics shown with permission of owner :) )

[joey3108]

Beauty is on the eyes of the beholder! I will always respect it, no matter what. :D

Joe

[Tiger3]

Hey JAT,

Those are satin arent they? With grapite shafts. I wonder if the heads weights were altered?

Look to good to be true. Awsome looking heads.

[JohnnyTN]

good post Joe.. gonna to start calling you CSI-Joe...

anyways...yes I am still alive..when we going to play :lol:

[greatdane]

Hi Joey!

Interesting post. I see that you have some rac cb's. How do you like them? I haven't been playing much for the last three months(business and injury), but prior to that the rac cb's that you blueprinted for me were perfect. These irons are incredibly accurate for me and the short irons are absolutely brilliant. And the pics of the 300's really drive home the fact that they are much more of a blade than a FCI or the subsequent 300 series irons.

Are your rac cb's the early version(white "cb", no serial#)? It was pretty strange the way TM recanted a lot of what was supposed to be gospel truth in Japan, i.e., 'only 1st run would be Miura forgings, only 1500 sets globally and no "coin forged" anywhere, respecting Miura's forging process to rationalize the high price. The the u.s. version shows up way after everyone figured the original 1500 set run from Miura was depleted, but not labelled the same way...in fact, opposite of what they said, i.e., a black "coin forged" on the hosel, serial numbers, etc.. But then saying that the "Made in China" tags, labels and stickers on these late arriving "for the U.S" rac cb irons was a mislabelling issue really makes one wonder. I have some friends in Japan who still think that there is some major BS by TM on these....like seeing that there was quite a demand for very high margin prices after the Miura run was done and then scrambling to produce more.

Anyway, what a great set. Your shaft suggestion (DGS-200 ssx1) worked out for me perfectly. I wouldn't change a thing, which is amazing, considering we did this by phone!!.

Even though I'm "out of stroke" now, I got to play Pinehurst last June "in form". Using the rac cb's I broke 80 (76, 77) from the Blues (tips were off limits) at Pinehurst #2 , two days in a row without playing it before, for a really decent highlight in a washed-out golf year, 2003. So thanks again for the great service and superb work, my friend.

I have another project I'd like to discuss, so I'll email you.

Regards,

Dane

[joey3108]

Hi Joey!

Interesting post. I see that you have some rac cb's. How do you like them? I haven't been playing much for the last three months(business and injury), but prior to that the rac cb's that you blueprinted for me were perfect. These irons are incredibly accurate for me and the short irons are absolutely brilliant. And the pics of the 300's really drive home the fact that they are much more of a blade than a FCI or the subsequent 300 series irons.

Are your rac cb's the early version(white "cb", no serial#)? It was pretty strange the way TM recanted a lot of what was supposed to be gospel truth in Japan, i.e., 'only 1st run would be Miura forgings, only 1500 sets globally and no "coin forged" anywhere, respecting Miura's forging process to rationalize the high price. The the u.s. version shows up way after everyone figured the original 1500 set run from Miura was depleted, but not labelled the same way...in fact, opposite of what they said, i.e., a black "coin forged" on the hosel, serial numbers, etc.. But then saying that the "Made in China" tags, labels and stickers on these late arriving "for the U.S" rac cb irons was a mislabelling issue really makes one wonder. I have some friends in Japan who still think that there is some major BS by TM on these....like seeing that there was quite a demand for very high margin prices after the Miura run was done and then scrambling to produce more.

Anyway, what a great set. Your shaft suggestion (DGS-200 ssx1) worked out for me perfectly. I wouldn't change a thing, which is amazing, considering we did this by phone!!.

Even though I'm "out of stroke" now, I got to play Pinehurst last June "in form". Using the rac cb's I broke 80 (76, 77) from the Blues (tips were off limits) at Pinehurst #2 , two days in a row without playing it before, for a really decent highlight in a washed-out golf year, 2003. So thanks again for the great service and superb work, my friend.

I have another project I'd like to discuss, so I'll email you.

Regards,

Dane

SO Far so good, I've just able to have them played for 3 rounds only. I had them for a while but i was to busy to reshaft them. I can't tell you much but i notice that the long iron hits the ball a little higher.

I bought this Rac CB from my last trip there last January.

Well, about the rumors; Is it the truth or hype? This is what most people don't know. I bet you if they install them the same way exactly, I don't think even the best feel players can feel the different.

Btw, Good to hear that you were playing well w/ the blueprinted set and good to hear that you are breaking your records. That what is suppose to be, right?

I'll wait for your email.

THX!

Joe