Guest Posted May 28, 2004 Report Share Posted May 28, 2004 I picked up a HM4 X flex 3 wood length and just recently a 5 wood length. Getting them installed in a 200 Tour 13 deg and a Tour Smoothie 7 wood. With the weight can I play them near steel length or does the counterballancing mess that up? Most importantly, as with most fujis, what type of swing do these shafts favor? I have always been a mid/high kick man. And low torque in the FW has helped me. Play the GAT Tour 75, but play them long for the swingweight. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haribo Posted May 28, 2004 Report Share Posted May 28, 2004 All my clubs are D5+. Except for my 4 wood with the HM4. It's just D0!!!!! BUT it feels perfect because the shaft is so heavy. When you look closely at the HM4 you'll see that the counterbalancing is in the tipp of the shaft and not the butt. You can barely get a needle into the tipp. Meaning this balances out the club nicely. Got a 7 wood with Rifle shaft and need tons of lead to get it to feel right. My 4 wood on the otherhand feels perfect with no lead whatsoever and only D0 swingweight. What I'm saying is don't get fooled by a technically low swingweight. Hit it first before you add weight. You might be in for a surprise. haribo P.S. Mmh ... my 7 wood smoothy feels great with the Rifle ... but maybe I should try a HM4 in there as well ... didn't even cross my mind because i wanted something heavier as in my 4 wood ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 28, 2004 Report Share Posted May 28, 2004 If its counterbalanced where it throws the weight down to DO wouldn't the Butt end be thick walled and the tip thin? It you can bairly get a needle in the tip then wouldn't the weight be on that end?? HELP?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haribo Posted May 28, 2004 Report Share Posted May 28, 2004 If its counterbalanced where it throws the weight down to DO wouldn't the Butt end be thick walled and the tip thin? Â It you can bairly get a needle in the tip then wouldn't the weight be on that end??HELP?? The butt of a shaft is generally bigger, more circumverance, means more material and therefore heavier. The tipp is a smaller "circle" with of course less material, hence lighter. With the HM4 the tipp is surprisingly thick walled. The opening is very narrow, hence there's more weight in the tipp, hence the counterbalance. In combination with a club head it balances out the weight of the club. That's why the swingweight of the finished club can be relatively low, while the total weight of the club is relatively heavy. Don't forget the HM4 is 117 gram heavy!!!!!!!!!!! haribo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emric Posted May 28, 2004 Report Share Posted May 28, 2004 >Don't forget the HM4 is 117 gram heavy!!!!!!!!!!!< ...the hm4 in 'x' flex raw is certainly not 117 grams...every hm4 'x' flex shaft that i have weighed 108gms at raw length... e Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 28, 2004 Report Share Posted May 28, 2004 Here is my question on the counterbalancing If you are moving more weight to the tip you would increasing the swingweight. Right?? If you put a club on a swing scale and put some lead tape on the hossle the swing weight goes up. Now if you thow the balance point toward the tip isn't that the same thing? Am I the only one thinking this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emric Posted May 28, 2004 Report Share Posted May 28, 2004 Here is my question on the counterbalancingIf you are moving more weight to the tip you would increasing the swingweight. Â Right?? If you put a club on a swing scale and put some lead tape on the hossle the swing weight goes up. Â Now if you thow the balance point toward the tip isn't that the same thing? Am I the only one thinking this? ...the balance point of those shafts designed to counter-balance, is butt side of middle...there are many different ways that shaft designers can influence the balance and geometry of a shaft - from materials used (boron, ti weave, etc.) to wall thicknesses, taper, and lamination...what you seem to be describing are tip heavy shafts - ala penley type shafts... e Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 28, 2004 Report Share Posted May 28, 2004 Ok, maybe this is it The tip is so "thick" because the material is so lite in the tip? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emric Posted May 28, 2004 Report Share Posted May 28, 2004 Ok, maybe this is itThe tip is so "thick" because the material is so lite in the tip? ...son - i'm not a mind reader - so i don't know which shaft 'haribo' was making a comparison to when he stated ~"the tip is thick"...was he comparing the tip to the tip of a 60gm harmon shaft? i can't bloody answer for him...but the hm4 is a 108gm shaft afterall - so yes, the tip will have more material than a counter-balanced harmon shaft or any other 60-80gm shaft - because it weighs 40+ gms more than the harmon for instance...btw - when speaking counter-balance mantra - we are talking a balance point of few centimeters towards the butt compared to a non-counter-balanced shaft - it is subtle... e Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 28, 2004 Report Share Posted May 28, 2004 I have not seen the tip, maybe its not that small of a center hole, I don't know yet, they are being installed. As I see it to counterbalance moving the weight further back (butt) you would need a thin wall at the tip. Putting a 107gram shaft in a 4 wood at length you should be over D0. When I say thin wall at tip I mean thinner than another simularly weighted shaft. I'm not worried anymore about the install, I'm just sticking them in as is, but I just don't see how to counterbalance anyother way besides making the Butt thicker. But I see what you are saying the wall is thicker everywhere because of the weight of the shaft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haribo Posted May 28, 2004 Report Share Posted May 28, 2004 I play a HM4 myself. X flex and it came in at 117 gram uncut. haribo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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