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Temple of the golden pavilion?

Next for me is the black and gold zodia driver, if it feels like the woods it will be great. Also wouldnt mind the new Modatr Driver. Is the Modart Draw bias Chris? and can the zodia be set with those small weights?

It is only very recently the 103 has come down, that was exy for a loooong time and for good reason. I agree the irons are the bread and butter, P1s were so accurate and soft, yes the distance was 1/2 club short but so are the AF tours.

Didnt someone mention something about 103s being closed or something, In my experience you order you get and spot on!

Yep it killed me getting rid of my set of coppers but you wanted so I gave them up. They were my paper weights for a few months. It took me over a year to replace them, had them here for a month and still haven't gamed on the track. P2 wedges have had a couple rounds but the Toyos have that swagger and feel I like when I take one out of the bag. When epon was sold here on TSG my 551s came in a black samurai box with a personal letter in a black epon envelope with epon proper carbon ferrules. That and golds have been my 2 stand out purchases and receiving of golf gear. Thats when the job was done well and Epon was a stand out.

I keep waiting for that jawdrop experience they used to bring too the table. Some copper SUS or P2s might do it. The 551 wasn't original but better than.

That is my point, they seem to be floundering in no mans land with no direction. Kaizen mentality seems all but gone.

Nope. Have a zodia 21 also, or an epon 18 or 2 x vega 17/22

If we waned to play good golf and not enjoy the gear as was pointed out earlier we would all use one set and stick with it. For me the fun and purchase of gear is about the golf to impress mentality, be in awe of my gear when I pull it out of the bag. I will leave old mate who plays every week with the same setof cobras to concentrate on his score and try take my money every week.

The debate goes on lol. 3 questions before lets say the Kai Was epon known for distance? Was it known for feel? Was it known for it beautiful design and craftsmanship If you were a fan and loved epon gear before the P2 and your answers were no, yes, yes. Then you didn't care about distance, you liked epon for other reasons. Chris I know you are a fan of epon haha, but I cant see any comparison of the cut out shapes of say the 103 VS any nike driver. Or any other. The 103 is minimal marketing just a beautiful shape. Zen is just ridiculous good looking and perfection, P1s were minimalist jaw droppers that played with shape and reflection. Cant you see my point here, or am I living in cloud epon land and just expecting to much from the best non commercial brand in the world with all the means necessary to go above and beyond. I haven't seen an epon staffers on any tour as yet, ergo not full on commercial. My point was they were beautiful with exceptional craftsmanship and now they dont have as much of that but more of the other. Distance and forgiveness.

I have a Romaro Ray UT 21 in perfect nick with cover that hasn't been used.

No worries Dave Its always good having a healthy debate, it brings out true feelings and thoughts on gear. Am sure what ever you go with will be exciting as you work your way through the JDM jungle ;)

Yeh server is out of action, will try later Cheers T

103 I like yes. As I like Most Epon gear. I just think there was a pinnacle in design and it has passed.

So I need too be clear here...you fellas are saying P1s and 103s are crap???

I think some of the post KK gear was KK design left behind. I could be wrong. Isn't what made Epon different all about the design and feel. Not the distance?? That was my impression. There has always been better distance and spin numbers in other brands. Epon was all about feel and looks

Yep. Epon are great. I have many. Just as I see it. Can't give any other opinions than me own. As for P1s being duds, in what way? Feel? Looks? Easy to use? Or is a dud judged by distance?

S Yard XV Labospec Builds Mid launch & loooooong 15* FW 3 Labospec Tataki 70 SX 43" Iomic Art Series Nice ferrule 18* FW 5 Labospec Tataki 70 SX 42.5" Iomic Art Series Nice ferrule Headcovers Condition on these are 9.5+/10 all components Not much explaining needed on these. So wanted to game these regular but the shafts are a bit much for me day in day out in the winter. Personally I think these are a stunning build and outstanding performers. $250 each....Reduced $200 each

How do you find the AF tours?

I agree with you that the ease of use with the 105 is an advantage (apparently) but that can be had with the 152....for 98% of golfers who need a bit of spin, your forgetting how far you hit the ball compared to most others. I think the modern Epon has no design features, all surface etch and paint, or the opposite, nothing at all. I think the advancements in materials and technology make a difference not the design at all, for instance you could have the p1 design with p2 technology also the 103 shape with 105 face. Its just new versus old. But I am sure if both the P1 and 103 were reseased today and never seen befor they would be better than any on the market. You get me.? I know many on here who think the 4.6 RPM is the best driver ever and the yammy tours are the best irons ever, just so happens they are also a product of the Endo golden years. Personaly I think the Epon design has gone backwards. They used to be ground breaking in that regard. Zen, 103, 301, p1, 551, sus and so on, these are some of the best looking and feeling clubs ever made, I personally dont think the new gear will be remembered for its looks or will be a stand out when all said and done. IMO

Much of a muchness on most drivers these days, what suits the eye and feels good for you. I paid the same for a 103 as could have had the 105 knowing fine well the resale would be less on the 103, but I wasnt buying to sell, just to play. Have the YZ 11 also and if it came down to feel that would be my choice...11* and it still not enough launch and spin for me. By all accounts it is superb for others. Whats your current gamer Dave?

Yep very much so on both fronts.

I have many who disagree and are going back with the 103 after trying the 105. (not my words) Epon fitter here in oz Better feel and sound with the 103. Distance not much difference depending on the shaft and the user. 103 looks better made. I had a choice, 103 or 105 both presented, went with the custom spec 103, for me its the best made epon driver to date. and has stood the test of time. I have a feeling the 105 will share the same fate as the 153 in a year or so. KK designed 103 is just stunning and a performer. Just MO Butthese things are just awesome, best KK designed driver.

So much good gear around D (past & present) it would be difficult picking lemons ;) I am looking forward to re shafting these though with some nice ferrules (epon single silver ring) then a set of grip-master black wraps. These will be the coolest clubs I own, not sure if they will be the best but fun non the less.

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