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Swing speed, COR, ball mass, launch conditions, weight, etc.. etc.. are never a constant in golf so that's where I'm missing your point. You swing a lighter club faster than you do the heavier club, almost everyone does. Let's say a brand went all in with the heavy philosophy, they would produce heavy clubs that people can't swing very fast thus creating shorter distances. Technology also allows for clubs to get heavier but I don't see anyone pulling that one out and I doubt increasing overall weight will be the next "thing". Weight has always been a problem for golf club design, there are too many examples of this from the move to Titanium, carbon shafts, thinner walls, CFRP crowns, to mizunos boron carbon steel all in the name of reducing weight. I guess I don't understand what your saying, The lighter thing has been going on for decades, it's not fluff and it's probably one of the single biggest advancements in golf in the last 50+ years. This heavier is longer stuff is great but doesn't resonate with me because everything in golf is a variable.

Modern - Art aka Modart has been getting great reviews among our clients and readers, not only has Modart seemed to have created something different but also has a produced an entire line up of clubs that perform very well. Back in Feb at the golf show obviously the first thing to catch everyone's eye was their more compact CBC CNC milled iron, time when by we had some customers wait months to receive their CBC's then following that members started picking up on how good the Driver MA01D and S along with their fairway woods and utility clubs. More recently TSG will go on the record saying the Suda-wedges are the best we have to offer here or anywhere else in our opinion. In this post we will highlight a club that we have already tested putting it through it's paces and we will break down how the new Modart A60-G CNC irons stack against the others in the same players category. So who is this club for? I would categorize it as mid sized head for the low/mid handicap player who is also looking for a extremely rewarding feel at impact, size wise think OnOff Forged or RomaRo Type-R, or Mizuno JPX EIII. This is Modart's next iron up in forgiveness after the CBC (most compact) which is shorter heel to toe with less offset, a thinner sole, and top line but keep in mind these are made of S25C soft carbon steel BUT they are NOT FORGED!... Each head is CNC MACHINED from the block!!! Suda-san explained that this creates the most pure iron when it comes to materials. The pressure and heat from a forging press can create inconsistancies in the steel including cracking and weakening of the material ultimately degrading he feel. With each Modart iron and wedge being milled straight from the block, there is no contamination of the steel and you get S25C in its original pure form. As you can see these are crafted beautifully, Each iron head is made as if it were a putter, Modart has chosen to keep milling accents all over the club face as a reminder. With meticulous Japanese manufacturing it comes at a price, each of these irons or any of the CNC'd S25C (non forged) models come in pretty steep at near $600 per iron, that makes for a set that retails in the $4400 range... So is it worth it? That's up to you and your wallet to decide, I can describe the feel and forgiveness though, In terms of feel there is nothing like it, I have hit the CBC and that was surprisingly great in a different, firm, vibey sorta way. This A60G while being made of the exact same material feels very different with it's increased size, the Vibrationey, reboundy, firm forged like'ish feel is addicting. Picture a spongy Mizuno soft iron that has a firm aftertaste and hints of road tar....lol makes no sense and I'm still trying to figure it out. As for forgiveness, it doesn't have an undercut cavity, it does not have tungsten buried deep in the sole nor does it have a 2 piece structure, All this thing is got is a sound design and a great size and shape to it. All I can keep coming back to is that this is noticeably better than the 2013 ONOFF forged in just about every way except in price. I'm tempted to get into a set of these with some MCI''s or graphite but that would cost a small fortune. Talking distance it is not as long as others it rides along the same yardage as some player CB's and this makes it interestingly geared to players who want more forgiveness, the best possible feel at impact, yet want to keep their yardages in check. Above is another pic of the top line, the lighting shows the true offset just perfectly, from this angle it has a better setup than many of it's competitors. If your someone who is looking for a set of really good feeling and forgiving irons yet doesn't play mainstream brands and want's to fly under the radar using a truly boutique brand like Modart here's your ticket.

I think most people will be able to swing a lighter club faster and more consistently than a heavier club. It's not just about shaft's getting lighter, heads are getting lighter as well and on all the PGA tours the weights are getting lighter in both shaft and head. Gone are the days of most swinging 90-100+ gram driver shafts. Advanced Composite Materials (ACM) = lighter/stronger/directional all key attributes in golf. Wishon wraps it up this way:

So a swing robot testing a heavier club will have better distance than with a lighter club? If your answer is yes, why are the top brands going lighter? Must they ignore that fact because of the variables that a golfers swing bring to the table?

Heavier head = more distance? Why are brands going lighter? I think physics doesn't prove either, they almost contradict each other. If heavier club head equals more distance and it's as simple as that you just came up with the next gimmick every brand will adopt. Weight does not equal distance. Head speed and a whole mess of other variables come into play for distance.

Today they can make carbon materials stiffer and stronger than steel, shafts with great materials can go higher torque and maintain stability unlike before. Shorter drivers being easier to hit center is true, but also important is how well the shaft matches our tempo to allow us to square the face up.

This is getting complicated! To simplify this, what exactly are we trying to solve here, shaft specs for a player or a basic philosophy of club design?

Nothing about the swing... Yes please PM so we don't jack this thread

When players need more distance they don't go with a heavier head and shaft. Every brand has gone lighter in head and shaft to see gains. Force vs mass is valid physics but has less value in golf or at least in this application for increasing driver distance. If you doubt this just look at every brand going lighter and stronger in head and shaft.

I welcome more offset in designs. And the P2 obviously got pretty big offset as you can see in your pics, I'm sure you see It. RMX MB vs CB has a big difference in offset vs each other and especially against the P2. These personal 2's are 2.8 in the PW and 3.5+ in the long irons. Compared to the other Epon irons it's considered a goose neck, nothing to hide they use that term themselves to describe these. This is a similar amount to the ONOFF forged 2013 cavity. More than any Honma TW iron and pretty close the IS-03.

Its really just about your current club, it's specs, your swing info, the way it's phrased they want more fact and less opinion. Because it takes SD over a week to go over the info they want us to send send the questions after payment to begin the process. Here is what one of the 3 options look like for this particular TSG member "control option"

Seven Dreamers is a new shaft company launched early 2014, while new the company has a long standing history in composites dating back for over half a century. In 1955 Minamoto Takeishi Watanabe came across a material that left him intrigued with all it's possibilities, he decided to single handedly study composites and after 2 years of research in 1957 established his very first composite molding plant in Shibuya, Tokyo and thus began the company Super Resin Inc. Originally it started off with glass fiber composites then a year later in 1971 Super Resin took the global lead in molding carbon fiber reinforced plastics (CFRP). For those of you who are new to CFRP it's basically a composite material made of fibers and resins that has a very high strength to weight ratio that is often used in aerospace, automotive and recently sporting goods. unlike materials like steel or aluminum CFRP has directional strength properties that depend on the design and lay out of the carbon fibers. By the mid 80's super resin expanded into Advanced Composite Materials (ACM) establishing their first ACM plant pursuing R&D in the aerospace field and as a result developed a CFRP remote control space (drone) in 1988. Over the next decade Super Resin was the supplier for many materials used in space satellites which would evenutally lead them to join the Hayabusa project in the late 90's. The Hayabusa project is the first and only unmanned spacecraft to land on an asteroid and return to earth with an asteroid sample. Super Resin materials are found in almost every satellite launched in Japan Today. Are all these advanced materials and technology overkill for a golf shaft? Simply put no it isn't, already on the market there have been shafts costing upward of $1000 dollars and some based on hype or fancy branding so now finally a shaft arrives that provides and justifies the price with quality, technology, and the consistency our money deserves. What makes a shaft from Seven Dreamers stand above others? Below we breakdown the difference between Industry standard shaft vs the way Seven Dreamers builds their shafts. In the standard industry process, shafts are made using a normal oven under atmospheric pressure. To apply pressure during processing, the shafts are wrapped with a shrink tape, After the process the tape has to be removed and when removed it leaves an uneven surface. The Seven Dreamers process uses actual inner and outer metal molds while the shafts are processed in an autoclave under pressure, no need to apply shrink tape. To smooth the uneven surface, the industry standard shaft requires grinding and polishing but the grinding while it smooths out the surface it also damages the individual fibers and that has a major impact on the performance of the shaft, the carbon fiber itself and the design is what gives the shaft its unique strength and stiffness. The Seven Dreamers shafts are smooth as they come out of the massive autoclave, there is no need to grind and polish and there is also no need to paint either because the shaft is made perfect and true to it's blueprint with no variables or extra weight from paint. The results are shafts manufactured as they are designed consistent from one shaft to the other. The outer mold keeps the shaft perfectly round while in the autoclave, the result is complete accuracy unlike other shafts. One of the most exciting aspects about working with Seven Dreamers is their scientific approach to total club performance, Seven Dreamers actually takes the customers club head into consideration with their proprietary fitting process during the shaft selection phase. Paint add's unnecessary weight and covers carbon material inconsistencies, similar to how a plated finish can hide grind defects on an iron or wedge. Seven Dreamers shows it's bare carbon as a testament to the qualities of material they use. Seven Dreamers received the a lot of marketing buzz surrounding it's $120,000 golf shaft, people were thinking what the heck!? but then I began to understand how awesome it really is, this is more than just a shaft it's something made for you of words best technology, This insanely priced "Premium shaft" uses unique carbon fiber products developed for state-of-the-art satellite applications, the shaft is manufactured with a special invar alloy mold that has low heat expansion and is currently used in the aerospace industry (which actually takes most of the cost of manufacturing the product). Upon completion this top end shaft is encased in a special carbon fiber composite case with the actual super invar mold used to make the product included. Here is the break down, hold your breath this is in U.S dollars: Matrix - $1200 - Based on a 16 questions Seven Dreamers fits you into one of 50+ shafts through TSG Haute Couture - $1800 - Fully Custom Fit in Japan Studio Anniversary - $10,000 - Amazing Gift for an special anniversary in Gold/Silver/Various textile patterns and space materials (not for play) Space - $15,000 - A different more rare space use material used in satallites Premium - $120,000 - A shaft made for you of insane materials, metal mold, carbon case, full experience in Japan. TourSpecGolf only sell's the Matrix series for the simple reason that most of our clients are not able to fly to Japan to be fit for the Haute Couture models. What we can do for anyone visiting Japan is arrange an english speaking fitting and experience. There are 57 shafts in the Matrix series and after a 16 question fitting using specific questions provided by Seven Dreamers HQ we send that data back and they provide the customer with 3 options to choose from: Standard - Distance - Control shafts, pretty self explanatory, the Standard is a combo of the two. The Haute Couture line requires the customer to visit an actual Seven Dreamers location for a personal fitting, this is a fitting to remember but you will need a translator if you just drop in, so we suggest contacting TSG if you are in the area and we will arrange an english speaker there to help you though the fitting. Seven Dreamers uses a proprietary software that is combined with the latest Trackman, the fitting is done using Seven Dreamer heads so that they can isolate variables and fit your swing with a shaft, not the head. After your fitting it takes about a week for your data to be processed and the recommendation made, after you select your shaft it is made to order then shipped to you in a stunning box and owners guide. So what is the best way to experience a Seven Dreamer's shaft, obviously if you are in Tokyo please contact TSG and we can arrange a fitting in your language, other than that contact TSG if you have serious interest and we can get in touch to go over the 16 question fitting process. Why give Seven Dreamers a try? well for one it's easily the most consistent and well made shaft in golf PERIOD! Don't agree? I challenge any shaft company to prove otherwise. The inner and outer walls are exact with no variation and perhaps even more importantly is they know how to break down each of the 16 sequential questions to provide you with the proper shaft for your swing. The Seven Dreamers shaft's also have less resin so you get more of the materials that matter most to performance. The philosophy is based on science surrounding the laws governing the conservation of momentum and the coefficient of restitution and show how weight reduction results in increase in club head speed and ball flight. Initial ball speed comes from the head speed, head weight, ball weight, and C.O.R and it is scientifically proven that a lighter club equals higher initial ball speeds which begs the question how light can one go without hitting it wild? Only with the use of the best carbon materials and designs can you keep shaft deformation down squaring the club face up at impact with such a light weight club. Now that doesn't mean they only make Light shafts, Seven Dreamers also has some beasts in their line up as well but the principle of increased distance with weight reduction can't be argued. So far only a small handful of TSG'ers have these in the bag today. It's a bit early to tell what the masses will think of them but I applaud Seven Dreamers for pushing the envelope to another level creating a new standard setting the bar high for any shaft company to rival them in the arena of technology and materials. Expect there to be more info about Seven Dreamers and our lucky TSG'rs who have decided to splurge and put one of their in their favorite driver. If you are interested in purchasing a Matrix series shaft please inquire with [email protected], the process is pretty straight forward, after payment we submit 16 in depth questions for you to fill out, then send it into SD HQ in Tokyo where they will provide 3 suggestions, after choosing the shaft is made to order and delivered directly to you. We do suggest doing this at time of new club purchase from TSG, this allows us to send the custom order spec'd head to Seven Dreamers for the installation and measurements.

The fairways are really good, really good. Some of TSG's favorite FW shafts are: - Crazy FW80 - Quadra New FEX FW - TRPX Messenger FW (lighter) - TRPX X-Line W - Basileius got a new 80T Shaft coming Early Oct - MUSO XDB75 I'm not sure about your preference in weight and performance yet but if you say we can help. Most of these have 65 gram options. I suggest ditching the 3 wood and playing a 5 wood a bit long and tight, just easier to hit and refreshing.

One of the things SD doesn't do is paint their shafts. It adds about 3-6 grams in shaft weight also with carbon that perfect they are probably showing off. By tomorrow we will have the full Seven Dreamers breakdown in the blog. btw blog has been moved to tourspecgolf.com/blog - golftoimpress will redirect for now.

I love the Egg1! Very long and stable flight, played like a 9.5 for me with stock stiff.

Over the years and by a country mile it's the Yururi Gekku Raw CONFORMING version. The Unicorn, It does not exist. The raw was only available in non conforming grooves. The Tour is available in conforming and non conforming. But never the raw. too bad.

That's a good question, naturally I wanted to compare them against each other right away. A55G is really easy to hit, rounded and smooth that just goes through turf like nothing. "slide through" the feel is very different than the Suda-wedges, the Suda's are what most of us are used to, nice pure form forged feel, precision, more aggressive looking while the A55G is soft and dense like a firmer mizuno but different. While the feel is different the performance is somewhat like the grind on the Buchi global wedges that also glide/slide through turf making them very user friendly. This is just a really stunning wedge that I wasn't expecting. Even the matching iron set feels and performs like the wedge. Comparing them to the most compact CBC model modart irons these feel different more spongy than firm.

Modart MWC A55-G Wedge For some reason when I first saw these I thought they were bigger, then mine came in and they are small. CNC'd from a block of carbon steel, the feel is an unbelievable dense soft. Lofts: 48/50/52/54/56/58/60/62 Because these are fully CNC'd they run just north of $600 per wedge.

imo satirized really never looks clean, that sorta gloss effect is lost where as factory done satin still has that effect. our refurb/refinish/build service is about to begin at the end of this month. this is not through gold's factory TSG deals directly with multiple refinishers only in Japan, our prices will be fair for the quality you receive.

This equation is from sevendreamers I think the bottom line with the equation is that a lighter club allows you to swing it faster which means higher ball speeds. I don't know F=MA, how does a heavier head/balance increase ball speed if the opposite is true?

Don't satinize, just send it to us and we will have it refinished in Japan of NiCr Satin.

I gotta keep reminding people that Gold's isn't a putter maker, they modify putters. PZ milling comes from me requesting premium zone milling on a putter, orbit G weights came from a customer asking GF to make weights like scotty.

Your spot on, actually when they melt down the metal to make the rod prior to forging they put in boron or boron powder and it becomes a part of the metal.