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I tried LB280 with several friends and we all agreed that this is maybe too old compared to newer clubs, there is no feeling it the club. You cannot compared it to Beres line, since if you are get used with LB280 you will not like Beres line. I used to muscle back cavity clubs like 990 and 690 and I find Beres 901 is a progression to a better feel in playing the muscle back cavity. The impression why this club is still on demand maybe as collection item target. There are a lot of second hand 4* LB280 offered for some money.

Better mechanics with better result. Long and straight with less energy. It's a very advisable to give up reverse-c finish because it gives assymetrical pressure on your backspine, the result will be a unrecoverable backspine problem/ache in the next 10-20 years.

7 Fundamentals of Golf Swing - Nick Bradley

Many of the modern first class player's irons have mass direct on the back of impact area ("Muscle Back Cavity" e.g. Beres 901, Epon, Tourstage etc.), while some still put pure cavity and put the mass in the impact area welded to the sole (e.g. Beres 8xx, Slingshot). From the physical nature, direct mass on the impact area means better impulse ( v * t) and automatically more energy will be transferred to the ball on the impact point. This can explain the soft feeling people always talk and this is definitely independent whether the club is forged or casted. What I don't understand is if you keep a cavity back face and a mass in the impact area indirect embedded on the back of the face, this will not have the same feel and same energy amount transferred to the ball. So the feel must be different and the distance must be different too. Q.E.D or am I wrong? (The marketing s**t really confused us)

How about the trajectory of X-UT compared to Sonartec md? Is it higher (though compared with other utility still low)? How about the forgiveness? Better or worse? Thanks,

All are good clubs, Epon would be the most interesting. Do you think about Miura too? I just saw ViQ line and I have to say wow, it's very fine and techie. Thinking to buy one ViQ UT too. Personally I love muscle backed cavity irons, I use Beres tw901 now. It's forgiving but still have soft feeling. EPON is forged in Thailand but maybe you will not find any EPON there, Honma is a brand of choice there sometime you can get huge discount there. Beware of fakes!

Alpha_pro: sorry bro I not sure getting the ViQ yet, the trajectory probably will too high for me. Duffer: AGREE! Sonartec md brings me a lot of problem. The club is nice only if you hit it properly and with power. In the course you made mistakes, and the success rate with md cannot be guaranteed as it's reclaimed in the golf magazines (And I am not a pro too :))) Personally I think the club is simply too heavy and biasing our feeling in the course, we cannot switch clubs which weights vary too much. Thanks for the tip

Hi Thanks! Currently I use Sonartec md and would be very happy to get a more forgiving club, since the meaning of recovery club it to save your stroke not to challenge your game. Maybe ViQ trajectory will be a bit too high then. I'll try to get some demo then.

Yeah, Bogor is near Jakarta and it has plenty of golf course with top notch quality, nice landscape and mild weather. Batam Island near Singapore has 3 nice Golfcourse. You can also play in Bangkok or Spring City China. If you want to kill yourself, then play in 10 Course Mission Hill. (Don't play in Singapore or Dubai, it's hot and dry :))) Playing in Asia is nice, you play in a nice course served by a Caddie (mostly female). Using a buggy you don't have to bring you bag by yourself and somebody take care of where your ball lands. The clubhouse is mostly good and equipped with spa. Golf is more a relaxation than sport then. :))

Some people talking X-U and ViQ Utility Wood, is it a high-end equipment? How good are they? Anybody has experience?

Yeah Claus, you have to go to Asia to play Golf someday. The number are huge and many of them are really beautiful courses compared to european (except Scottland of course). Or a bit nearer, south africa, they have nice courses (like SunCity). Talking about luxury stuff, mainly comes from Europe where the brand exists for quiet some time. I love my MB and my Rolex, but if you talk about camera and golf equipment, japan is the Mecca. Yeah we have to be grateful, to be member of clubs that can spend money for our principles, right.

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I used Sonartec TRC 14 with no big problem, lately I lose distance and the club shows strong dispersion to the right up to strong fade. That's really p***ing me off. Currently I replace it with V-Steel until I can try the new RC FW, my shot is still straight, minimum dispersion and distance also still okay. I am wondering how a club ages, does the shaft structure changes with time (outwear), does a metal club also ages. Maybe the RC/Sonartec engineer are too good, so they can design a club so it will last only for certain time period (TRC is a 2002 model) :PP

Yeah Donald Trump. It was an old article, the latest new I read he is using a us club. All marketing phenomenon. If you like golden clubs, look at Maruman majesty. These are s****, even the shafts are ornamented with golden yarn. Embedded one by one by an artist. The price exceeds Honma *****. Crazy.

My comment: Beres ARMQ Selection System: Very Simple. Look at the website they have a matrix with Club Type, ARMQ Type and Swing Speed. Mine is about 90-95, that matched the R on the TW9xx. If I choose TW8xx, they offer S for the same Swing Speed. Star System: More on the quality of the Shaft and Clubs. My shop owner says that * to *** makes not a big difference for us, mortals. **** you can notice in your game and your pocket, ***** is tiptop and a lot of gold and requires a lot of fortune. I use * and satisfied, why bother spending more money on that? No gain correlation on stroke saving :))

Remembers me on my old TRC

Don't take it too literally guys. I agree, every opinion from this forum is worth to read (So I read these as well), but the end decision is still on our hand. We are the only one who knows whether a gear will be suitable for us or not. A guy from photographic world (kenrockwell.com) has a beautiful classification of users which I think also applicable too golfers. 1. The one who are sticked to the equipment and make thousands of analysis about gears and keep buying new and the latest ones 2. The other who enjoyed the game as it is and using the gear as a tool or even make a living from it And ironically the first group are usually not professionals or scratchers but doctors, CEOs, businessmen who can afford gears he he he ...

Heard from a golf shop owner that Beres is a Malay/Bahasa word means "already cleaned up", he said Beres means every financial burden is beres-ed. Don't know whether he is bluffing or telling me the truth. :)

I am a mid handicapper, plays maximum 4x in a month, have quiet good ball striking, but .. what a heck, I like the look and the style and expensive price, it's the reason to buy the club and I am over-over-happy with it. Why do you have to hear other people's opinion? Just buy what you think it's nice and forget about the handicap story. I saw handicap 4 player who hits the ball like a sick ugly duckling and a 18-er with beautiful swing and three putts, handicap <> technique often do not correlate each other.

Cast or Forged? So .. Indeed it's a cast club, the forging process is needed to change the density at certain position of the club, organize so the molecular structure points to the same direction or whatsoever. But anyway (attn: Claus), why people have to urge to buy forged club? It's the feel that's important not the process how do they make it. Soft feel can be depend on other factors such as additional soft metal layer embedded on the club, schock absorber in the hosel or the shaft or anything else (Anyway I am not a golf expert :))) We human cannot differentiate between cast and forged metal :) Just try, feel and buy it! Veni Vidi Vici

I read some rumors that it's a cast club. Which one is true? At least they must do specific hardening on the surface, mine is difficult to get scratch and ding (compared to other "forged" clubs).

Frankly I never like Honma Clubs until I tried the Beres line, it's very different with the predecessors. It's solid clubs with fine finishing and the most important thing is the transition from titleist clubs to beres is not that difficult (It's also heavy) Personally I think Beres line is targeted to a bigger audience outside Japan/Korean market, maybe it should deliver a premium clubs with acceptable feeling in countries like US. By the way, I bought the 901 Irons and 911 driver. 902 is too difficult for me although the feeling is very soft. I don't buy the fairway woods, royal collection/sonartec is nicer I think.

My Word of Wisdom: KEEP THE BUSINESS RUNNING The industry has to keep manufacturing and selling goods, that's why every product has to wear out and out of fashion. I am sure as in the car industry or light bulb industry people can make a longlasting clubs, but it's counterproductive to maintain our economy. On one side I find it's silly keep changing the clubs, but on the macro economic side we have to thank such people :) My advice, if you have a lot of money, keep changing the clubs to help the business running he he heh ....

PERFECT! But I bought the TW901 :)

Simply too old technology. Buy a newer series, than spending money for old irons.