spining

[sonartec_guy]

is it more harm than help to get my NVS shaft pulled, spined, and re-put in?

[indacup]

is it more harm than help to get my NVS shaft pulled, spined, and re-put in?

I tested these shafts before they were released and according to the VP of Engineering at Aldila, there is no reason to do this....especially for that shaft.

It is extremely difficult to find anything resembling a spine on that shaft...and you would find no noticable difference in performance by doing this.

If you're happy with the logo location, then leave it be.

[Lowpro]

like the other guy said.. if the dirver is hitting well don't mess with it.. and the alila shafts > nv, nvs and even the one - i have tested and run alot through our own spine locator and really many times the shafts come out with no spine found.. but it is not a big deal to pull a shaft and check the spine and reglue it.. being the person has a good shaft puller and does'nt use too much heat...

[texastee]

Contrary to the other replies I have installed several NV's and they are all different. they do benefit from spining and flo'ing. this goes for either the 65 or 75. No experience with the 55 or the NVS. Very few shafts can truly say they don't need spining. in my experience the top of the line Fujikuras (international series) come close as do a few others makes. But, as a rule, I always test for spine and flo.

as to the cost benefit to making the change, I agree with the reply that said if you are hitting it well now why change? On the other hand if you are all over the map and never feel a consistant release toward the target then take the chance and do it.

[ga_pike]

I put an NVS into my R7 and it had a noticeable spine. Alot of people say they don't believe spine alignment means much... I feel this is BS. Since I started spining, I have noticed a major difference in not only mine, but my dad, and every other person we have done this for. ALL shafts have spines... even the allmighty FUJI. Tested 3 different Fujis and found spines, not highly noticeable, but they were there.

[moonsole]

While a couple of the most recent replies may contradict this, I really don't see too big of a deal with that particular shaft. Other stock shafts yes, but not that shaft. Read what pretty much the smartest man in club design had to say about it:

"BILL:I have had the opportunity to have done a lot of testing with shaft PUREing and other forms of shaft alignment in my past work, starting in 1997 when d**k Weiss was nice enough to come to me at GS and ask us to take a look at what he had developed. Back then, virtually no shaft makers were doing anything in their normal shaft production process to minimize the effect of normal shaft asymmetry. As a result, we saw some very dramatic changes in the performance of a shaft before and after proper orientation. Since that time, and I would say it was about in the 2000-2001 timeframe, I began to notice that more and more of the shaft companies, especially the more quality oriented companies, began to include some form of checking and testing of their shafts to locate what they would conclude was a 'plane of more stable bending'. This would be done before the shafts were painted and logo'd, so that they could apply the logo in a position such that normal logo up installation of the shaft would make it play much less asymmetrical than before. Also, I tended to note that the effects of shaft alignment would be noticed by a higher % of golfers in the woods than in the irons. In looking into this more deeply, I felt this was because the amount that an asymmetrical shaft can cause equipment induced miss-hits is proportional to how much it bends between loading and unloading in the downswing. Wood shafts which are longer and smaller in diameter than iron shafts will bend between 4-6" in the downswing, while iron shafts of the same "matched flex" will bend only about 1-2" in the downswing. Thus the more a shaft bends from loading to unloading, I believe the more it could benefit from a shaft alignment process. Today I see shaft alignment today as being an "inurance policy" for the very discerning golfer. If you want to eliminate ALL possibility of the shaft possibly causing a miss-hit from not unloading in a straight plane of bending, then shaft alignment will do that. But you won;t know how much the shaft was improved unless you actually used the shaft first in a random installation and then did the alignment testing and installation after. That's why I call it more of an insurance policy today. If you do not align shafts what might be a tip that a golfer might be suffering from the effects of a poor alignment? If you are very certain that the specs you chose for a golfer in the head, shaft, grip and assembly specs are all what they should be, but the golfer really struggles with achieving a decent % of on-center hits, that could be one indication. Thanks for your post and hope this helps, TOM"

That's a reply from Tom Wishon from his site regarding Pureing, Spining, Floing - which all basically try and achieve the same goal - orienting the shaft in its most neutral position so as to minimize any inconsistencies that there may be. With the quality aftermarket shafts being made today, I just don't see it as making a huge difference in todays shafts.

However, with that said. Tom makes a great point about how golf is so psychological. If you think it may help even the slightest bit - no doubt it will probably help. Your confidence if nothing else.

Any shaft bought off the shelf as part of an assembled club - I would definately spine it or flow it - actually just replace it. DYNO over on FGI keeps a Taylor Made MAS shaft he pulled as an example to show to his customers how crappy those stock shafts can be.

Just my 2 cents. More like a few bucks worth.

[pureblade]

Great post moonsole!

I totally agree that, at the very least, the golfer has total peace of mind. For me though, I prefer it if possible, but it isn't an absolute must. If I was buying a shaft, and the option was available, I would definitely choose it. However, if the shaft is already fitted, I wouldn't go to the trouble of pulling it, spining it, and re-installing it.