xraes Posted March 12, 2006 Report Share Posted March 12, 2006 It was demo day at my club and I was at the Mizuno tent checking out the gear while the sales rep. was off to the side on his cell. He saw my bag and casually pulled out my wedge and began checking it out. When he got off his phone, with no introduction, and while still holding MY club, he looks at me and says,"these are forgeries." Not to bore everyone with rest of the story, but even after my disclosing where I purchased them and him hitting 2 clubs, he said he still thought they we'ren't legit. I pulled out my MPUX2 and asked him if it was a fake too. He had no response. After keeping my mouth shut long enough, I told him I was absolutely as sure of the authenticity of my clubs as any he had for sale. What a d*ck!! Anyway, just thought I'd share my day. If anyone would appreciate it, it's fellow (LEGIT) equipment ho's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowpro Posted March 12, 2006 Report Share Posted March 12, 2006 hopefully he did'nt mean it to be a d**k -- more as a concern but i guess not.. i had a person come in with a set of ni8ke irons.. to get new grips.. started taking off the grips and said the same words-- good copy where did you get these? you would have thought i said something about his mother! turned out they were counterfiet.. sent them into nike and they confirmed it.. i was being curious - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Posted March 12, 2006 Report Share Posted March 12, 2006 I know what you mean!! I have a tourstage X Drive 405 Driver and when my pro had his Bridgestone rep over for a demo day, I showed him what I had. He "appeared" stunned, looked at it closely and thought it was fake. After I told him how I obtained it, he did not say much and downplayed the product. I just do not understand why regional reps are turned away by their import products. At a recent golf show, I went up to the Mizuno rep and asked him about some of Mizuno Japan only products and to see if he could get his hands on any. Again, the rep was rude, said no can do and did not really want to talk to me. I do understand reps can only make money on products that they can sell, however, I just simply do not undertand why they cannot get their hands on import stuff especially if it is produced by the same manufacturer. While I understand, for example MizunoUSA and MizunoJapan are 2 "seperate" companies, I connot comprehend why these 2 "seperate" companies cannot "work" together and give their reps commissions on any product line they sell. I thought we live in a global marketplace?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8thehardway Posted March 12, 2006 Report Share Posted March 12, 2006 I know what you mean!! I have a tourstage X Drive 405 Driver and when my pro had his Bridgestone rep over for a demo day, I showed him what I had. He "appeared" stunned, looked at it closely and thought it was fake. After I told him how I obtained it, he did not say much and downplayed the product. I just do not understand why regional reps are turned away by their import products. At a recent golf show, I went up to the Mizuno rep and asked him about some of Mizuno Japan only products and to see if he could get his hands on any. Again, the rep was rude, said no can do and did not really want to talk to me. I do understand reps can only make money on products that they can sell, however, I just simply do not undertand why they cannot get their hands on import stuff especially if it is produced by the same manufacturer. While I understand, for example MizunoUSA and MizunoJapan are 2 "seperate" companies, I connot comprehend why these 2 "seperate" companies cannot "work" together and give their reps commissions on any product line they sell. I thought we live in a global marketplace?? For starters, a Global Economy means there are fewer barriers to imports & exports, such as tarrifs or restrictions; it doesn't mean there are no barriers. But your concern is different and has more to do with shalf space than red tape. Golf outlets would need to double the space allocated to Mizuno clubs without seeing twice the sales. Callaway would complain. If Mizuno Japan clubs had significant sales, Mizuno USA would complain and their suppliers would also start yelling when orders went down. And Mizuno would have to double their budget for Print Ads and explain to everyone exactly what the differences were in their expanded product line. And Sorenstam would insist on Callaway Japan clubs. And last year's 725 BILLION dollar trade deficit would really balloon and people would lynch Allen Greenspan who just retired and is getting into golf. All because you aren't content to let Tourspec Golf bridge the well-established boundaries between nations. :tsg_smiley_no: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sly_sam Posted March 13, 2006 Report Share Posted March 13, 2006 Import just can't seem to find rspect in North America, and I know where all of you are coming from with the fact that Reps and Pros don't like to be out smarted. When I talk to them about a product and maybe add in something they don't know about it, they'll try and tell me something different. It's even tougher for me because I'm not as old as any of them, and punk kids aren't supposed to know anything about what they're using and trying. One Pro that worked in one of the local shops here didn't know that because of the soft metals used in forged clubs, they're lofts and lies can shift with repeated use. I tried explaining it to him but he really didn't want to here it, this all while I was getting the lies checked to be fit with my irons (it turned out that standard was good so they weren't bent). Anyway, TSGers seem to a special breed of people that are outcasted because of their all-knowing; it's a shame, those Reps and Pros could really learn something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phillip Alexander Posted March 13, 2006 Report Share Posted March 13, 2006 Well I guess it has all been said. I have been posting on the site for at least a year now and let me say TSG is the WORLD AUTHORITY on golf equipment. I tend to have some fun with the local Mizuno guys, but let me say the Aussie Mizuno reps are far more laid back about what they can't get. They will acknowledge that there is Japan only and interestigly enough one of the reps showed interest in one of the Mizuno wedges I had from a golf enthusiasts point of view. Seems to me the American reps are just tunnel focused. I'm always ready to listen to someone who tells the truth!! Perhaps the American guys should take a leaf out of the Aussie guys books. They would certainly sell more with a better attitude. Keep up the good work Chris, the disciples just love it!! :tsg_smilie_cool: :tsg_smilie_cool: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plus1 Posted March 13, 2006 Report Share Posted March 13, 2006 Well I guess it has all been said. I have been posting on the site for at least a year now and let me say TSG is the WORLD AUTHORITY on golf equipment.I tend to have some fun with the local Mizuno guys, but let me say the Aussie Mizuno reps are far more laid back about what they can't get. They will acknowledge that there is Japan only and interestigly enough one of the reps showed interest in one of the Mizuno wedges I had from a golf enthusiasts point of view. Seems to me the American reps are just tunnel focused. I'm always ready to listen to someone who tells the truth!! Perhaps the American guys should take a leaf out of the Aussie guys books. They would certainly sell more with a better attitude. Keep up the good work Chris, the disciples just love it!! :tsg_smilie_cool: :tsg_smilie_cool: You think the US reps are bad! lol here in the UK our reps dont even know what is on the US market.....nevermind the Japan market.....An example of this would be that in the UK titleist 670s were never released. when my local titleist rep saw i had a few sets in he initially thought they were fake! after a few phone calls he was stunned that i had them and actually traded other titleist goods for them! Reps tend to be totally ignorant to vast amount of clubs that their companies produce opn a global basis. I actually find it kinda funny......in my opinion we as in ''ALL CONSUMERS'' need to look at the JDM to discover were the NEW TECHNOLOGY lies, as the US is NOT the leader in this field...... :tsg_smiley_yes: :tsg_smilie_cool: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sly_sam Posted March 13, 2006 Report Share Posted March 13, 2006 Reps tend to be totally ignorant to vast amount of clubs that their companies produce opn a global basis. I actually find it kinda funny......in my opinion we as in ''ALL CONSUMERS'' need to look at the JDM to discover were the NEW TECHNOLOGY lies, as the US is NOT the leader in this field...... :tsg_smiley_yes: :tsg_smilie_cool: This is true, Japan is the real leader in golf technology around the world. Everybody is trying to catch up. It's also said that Japan is the intial testing ground for golf equipment that may come over seas. With this said, I hope that someday TourStage and other imports will become more availible here so I can actually try and buy some of their stuff. Chances are this won't happen, but if anyone has any info on import brands crawling over to North America, give me shout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramizuno13 Posted March 17, 2006 Report Share Posted March 17, 2006 Please try to understand the most of the sales reps in the US don't even know what's being offered in Japan. Most of them can barely understand the tech that goes into making the clubs. You really need to to talk to on of us Tech Reps. It's our job to know everthing about our clubs and our competitions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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