Epon 460 - naturally high/normal/low launching head?

[leepark]

Is the Epon 460 a naturally high/normal/low launching head? I am getting a 0.6 open faced head with an Axiv V-Spec 7076, and have to choose between 9.5 and 10.5... any input? I normally hit a high ball but like a fairly high trajectory as long as it doesn't get knocked down by wind (when there is wind). What do you think, do I go with the 9.5 or 10.5?

Edited January 30, 2007 by leepark

[idrive]

I always go with the 9.5 I hit the ball high and like to keep it down.

The 9.5 has been perfect. I would even consider a 8.5 if they made one.

You will love the Driver, shaft combo.

Good Luck

[Blader-X]

From my experience I would say its trajectory is mid-high. I too would actually love an 8.5 but really the 9.5 is just fine for my game in its current form. The flight I get is not a ballooning flight at all; it gets up and pretty much stays there until its time to come down. A very piercing trajectory. Of course I'm sure the type of shaft and individual swing play into it. For me, this club is awesome in the wind. I've played quite a few rounds of late out near Beaumont, CA and the winds have been blowing 30-50 mph. In fact, if anyone seen the last day at the Bob Hope and those winds the pros played in that day, I had a day just like that not but a month ago. Unreal, balls were just blowing off the green before you could put. The Epon held very strong that day.

As for whether to to 9.5 or 10.5 its a matter of personal choice. If you're a fairly good driver of the ball with a fast swing speed go 9.5. With the AxivV you're gonna just love the results. Go 10.5 to build a little forgiveness into the equation if you're tee shots tend to spray a little or if you're swing speed isn't all that fast.

Good luck and post a review once you've gotten some time in with it.

[leepark]

Thanks guys. Can't wait to get it in my hands! Having read all all the positive TSG comments my expectations are HIGH! I will let you know what happens.

[dkats]

I have a 9.5 with the stock Drev shaft and I would also say it's a mid-high ball flight. I am not a high ball hitter and the 9.5 gives me the trajectory I am looking for. Great driver!

[plus1]

i have had 9.5 and 10.5 in this driver - with all different shaft comos. Regardless of wether the shaft is high kick or low kick i have found that the launch of this driver is HIGH, but with low low spin. This gives us the ultimate rainbow flight that reall does get the most out of carry as well as the most out of run. I did not notice a significant difference in the 9 and 10 so i opted for the 10.5 seeing it gave a small amount more forgiveness.

Whichever u choose i believe you will get a high launch with a low spin. Initially the high launch may put u off however when u see the results you will be more than happy!

[robbie]

I have been playing the Epon 460 with a code-6 for about a week now......it definitely hits a high ball, in fact i would even venture to say too high, BUT the ball goes far and it is so forgiving, the balls i am hitting now are all carry, if i nut one, i can carry it about 270 ( its cold out there).....which is awesome for me !!! i normally hit about 285 but thats with 25 yards of roll on firm fairways on a nice sunny day....this club hits a high ball but it has very little back spin, it is just going foward with loads of hangtime....this driver does what the Ozik Altus attempted to do !!! it is high launch low spin with very little side spin !!! ive owned over a hundred drivers in the past 5 years and this puppy is the best to date and it is head and shoulders above current offerings !!

[gus]

What is your loft? I too would like to answer this question. Thinking about this combo (Epon/Roddio) what do think? My current gamers are 9.5* Titty tour issue 905R and TM R7 425TP tour issue 10.5*. Perfect example here; I actually hit the Titty/Axis X combo higher than the 425/Rombax. So which one 9.5/10 would you go with if you are me in this combo? Thanks

[drew030303]

Is the Epon 460 a naturally high/normal/low launching head? I am getting a 0.6 open faced head with an Axiv V-Spec 7076, and have to choose between 9.5 and 10.5... any input? I normally hit a high ball but like a fairly high trajectory as long as it doesn't get knocked down by wind (when there is wind). What do you think, do I go with the 9.5 or 10.5?

Get a 9.5, nothing higher. My experience with the Epon...I had a 9.25 hand picked loft w/Axiv V-spec 8080 and hit it very high. I usually play and 8.5 TM TP 460 and hit a mid trajectory. My Epon/Axiv combo hit it very high with no roll. The 9.5 will suit you just fine, trust me.

[+TourSpecGolfer]

Let the launch monitor data do the talking. I dont care what loft it is as long as im getting solid ball speed numbers, carry, total yardage, and a tight dispersion.

I'm always trying to achieve a 14* launch angle, 6+ seconds of hang time, a downward angle of degradation that gives me decent roll, a spin rate under 3000, and something less than 8 yards off line in either direction. If a 9.5 gets you those results then your all set but no shame if its the 10.5 that gets you there. Hell id use a 13* driver as long as its the result i desired.

As far as manufacturing, quality control, tolorance, feel and forgiveness Epon takes the cake, Sure there are clubs that can rival it in one or several of those categories like the X-Drive 460 or MP Craft 425 etc.. but knowing you have the most high end manufactured driver or shall I say cannon on the market is a great feeling.

[gus]

Get a 9.5, nothing higher. My experience with the Epon...I had a 9.25 hand picked loft w/Axiv V-spec 8080 and hit it very high. I usually play and 8.5 TM TP 460 and hit a mid trajectory. My Epon/Axiv combo hit it very high with no roll. The 9.5 will suit you just fine, trust me.

Thanks for the imput; looking forward to this decision making process...

[gus]

Let the launch monitor data do the talking. I dont care what loft it is as long as im getting solid ball speed numbers, carry, total yardage, and a tight dispersion.

I'm always trying to achieve a 14* launch angle, 6+ seconds of hang time, a downward angle of degradation that gives me decent roll, a spin rate under 3000, and something less than 8 yards off line in either direction. If a 9.5 gets you those results then your all set but no shame if its the 10.5 that gets you there. Hell id use a 13* driver as long as its the result i desired.

As far as manufacturing, quality control, tolorance, feel and forgiveness Epon takes the cake, Sure there are clubs that can rival it in one or several of those categories like the X-Drive 460 or MP Craft 425 etc.. but knowing you have the most high end manufactured driver or shall I say cannon on the market is a great feeling.

How do you feel about the Roddio as a viable shaft option. We should talk...

[+TourSpecGolfer]

It really depends on your swing, Would the Roddio models fit it?

[+TourSpecGirl]

Guess who's being trained by Daiwa to fit roddio shafts?

Coming Soon..

[gocchin]

Guess who's being trained by Daiwa to fit roddio shafts?

Coming Soon..

Awesome J!!!

That'll be great for the TSG and JDM enthusiast community! Your fitting sessions have helped so many!

[reggie]

It really depends on your swing, Would the Roddio models fit it?

This is now getting interesting.

I too would like to hear more about the Roddio with the Epon head as many of us out here in the sidelines are patiently (impatiently?) waiting to finalize our decision. The Axiv with the Epon sounds like a no brainer but most of us are waiting until our Sensei (TSG) states that another shaft (the Roddio?) may actually work better than the Axiv.

If only Mother Nature would cooperate and permit the weather to be clear and dry for at least a week where TSG resides.

This would really help expedite the decision making for all of us. Waiting until our Sensei can play and give a true and honest evaluation is the hardest part in this process.

Edited February 11, 2007 by reggie

[+TourSpecGolfer]

The Roddio Shafts are the most advanced shaft on the market Today. It is the only shaft to be using a 5 weave pattern most to date is Axiv with 4 weaves. Also the process is 23 steps to build, its simply amazing. You can have the white graphics up or down, Im playing mine down because the white makes the shaft a little too noticeable and a tad larger.

[+TourSpecGolfer]

Get a 9.5, nothing higher. My experience with the Epon...I had a 9.25 hand picked loft w/Axiv V-spec 8080 and hit it very high. I usually play and 8.5 TM TP 460 and hit a mid trajectory. My Epon/Axiv combo hit it very high with no roll. The 9.5 will suit you just fine, trust me.

How can you suggest 9.5 for another person with little to no data about his swing. Its like me telling you I hit R flex shafts amazing you would do better with an R flex because I do... If you want a lower trajectory, easier to work, and an epon driver built for the hard hitter the 415cc would be the way to go. They are not the same driver in design, very different in shape with a higher center of gravity.

Here is the scoop on the 460:

This Deep faced driver produces a low spin and high ballistic trajectory. The Technity Driver Series was developed with the belief that true perfection of performance can be achived using the best materials and technologies available today. Cold forged technology creates maximum forgiveness and unrivalled feel with exquisite balance.

415cc:

The 415ZR brings a greater importance to control for the hard hitter. Its center of gravity depth is a little shallower than the 460ZR providing a lower more penetrating ball flight. The conventional feeling is emphasized in deep faced Pear Form.

Its known attribute is its forgiveness and its greatest feature is workability.

[drew030303]

How can you suggest 9.5 for another person with little to no data about his swing. Its like me telling you I hit R flex shafts amazing you would do better with an R flex because I do... If you want a lower trajectory, easier to work, and an epon driver built for the hard hitter the 415cc would be the way to go. They are not the same driver in design, very different in shape with a higher center of gravity.

Here is the scoop on the 460:

This Deep faced driver produces a low spin and high ballistic trajectory. The Technity Driver Series was developed with the belief that true perfection of performance can be achived using the best materials and technologies available today. Cold forged technology creates maximum forgiveness and unrivalled feel with exquisite balance.

415cc:

The 415ZR brings a greater importance to control for the hard hitter. Its center of gravity depth is a little shallower than the 460ZR providing a lower more penetrating ball flight. The conventional feeling is emphasized in deep faced Pear Form.

Its known attribute is its forgiveness and its greatest feature is workability.

That was my opinion after hitting the Epon. Golf is all about feel...the American golfer are too consumed with mechanics and technology. I believe that's the chief argument that lends credibility to why European golfers are surpassing American Pro's by leaps and bounds. Any club/shaft combo that I hit, and I'm sure this applies to many others, I know instantly if it suits me. In regards to technology; there is no driver on the market that is going to increase my distance and accuracy to the point I'm impressed. I need to like the way it feels and looks. Technological advances have reached a cross roads imo; you can't make drivers any bigger, you can move the center of gravity,use different materials etc...it's not going to make me hit it 30 yards farther and find more fairways. It will increase the distance and accuracy of someone has never been fit with a golf club in their life. In regards to the TSG member I said go with the 9.5...He already stated he hit it high, so I simply stated the 9.5 will work. LEt's wait to hear his opinion after he chooses. thx

[+TourSpecGolfer]

That was my opinion after hitting the Epon. Golf is all about feel...the American golfer are too consumed with mechanics and technology. I believe that's the chief argument that lends credibility to why European golfers are surpassing American Pro's by leaps and bounds. Any club/shaft combo that I hit, and I'm sure this applies to many others, I know instantly if it suits me. In regards to technology; there is no driver on the market that is going to increase my distance and accuracy to the point I'm impressed. I need to like the way it feels and looks. Technological advances have reached a cross roads imo; you can't make drivers any bigger, you can move the center of gravity,use different materials etc...it's not going to make me hit it 30 yards farther and find more fairways. It will increase the distance and accuracy of someone has never been fit with a golf club in their life. In regards to the TSG member I said go with the 9.5...He already stated he hit it high, so I simply stated the 9.5 will work. LEt's wait to hear his opinion after he chooses. thx

I dont agree at all,

First off i know i could put a driver/shaft/specs combo in your hands that would impress you. If not, thats just sad.

My point to you is even I wouldnt assume to know what loft a guy needs without a little more info. Loft is a big deal man, its the variable that effects the trajectory and launch angle more than anything else. Then add that he has not mentioned tipping, flex, kick point, swing specs, etc..

I dont know about your whole judgment on American Golfers, They beat the EU guys all year long except for a week or two and you feel Euro golfers are better?

You didnt simply state the 9.5 would work you told him " Get a 9.5, nothing higher. " and " The 9.5 will suit you just fine, trust me."

Doesnt matter what his final choice is, Im just telling you its silly to choose a persons loft based on nothing.

[drew030303]

I dont agree at all,

First off i know i could put a driver/shaft/specs combo in your hands that would impress you. If not, thats just sad.

My point to you is even I wouldnt assume to know what loft a guy needs without a little more info. Loft is a big deal man, its the variable that effects the trajectory and launch angle more than anything else. Then add that he has not mentioned tipping, flex, kick point, swing specs, etc..

I dont know about your whole judgment on American Golfers, They beat the EU guys all year long except for a week or two and you feel Euro golfers are better?

You didnt simply state the 9.5 would work you told him " Get a 9.5, nothing higher. " and " The 9.5 will suit you just fine, trust me."

Doesnt matter what his final choice is, Im just telling you its silly to choose a persons loft based on nothing.

Chris,

I base it on hitting the club...You built me a 460 9.25 with Axiv 8080 and it flies high. I hit it the as far, as accurate, as my TM TP. It's just my opinion and gut instict, which are usually right on. I don't disagree with your approach. But I have a feeling he will pick the 9.5 and like it. And here are a few stats regarding American pro's...I wish they were different. Only 3 americans in the top 15

Tiger Woods, USA

2 Jim Furyk, USA

3 Adam Scott, Aus

4 Ernie Els, SAf

5 Retief Goosen, SAf

6 Phil Mickelson, USA

7 Vijay Singh, Fij

8 Luke Donald, Eng

9 Padraig Harrington, Ire

10 Henrik Stenson, Swe

11 Geoff Ogilvy, Aus

12 Sergio Garcia, Spn

13 Trevor Immelman, SAf

14 Paul Casey, Eng

15 David Howell, Eng

[reggie]

Chris,

I base it on hitting the club...You built me a 460 9.25 with Axiv 8080 and it flies high. I hit it the as far, as accurate, as my TM TP. It's just my opinion and gut instict, which are usually right on. I don't disagree with your approach. But I have a feeling he will pick the 9.5 and like it. And here are a few stats regarding American pro's...I wish they were different. Only 3 americans in the top 15

Tiger Woods, USA

2 Jim Furyk, USA

3 Adam Scott, Aus

4 Ernie Els, SAf

5 Retief Goosen, SAf

6 Phil Mickelson, USA

7 Vijay Singh, Fij

8 Luke Donald, Eng

9 Padraig Harrington, Ire

10 Henrik Stenson, Swe

11 Geoff Ogilvy, Aus

12 Sergio Garcia, Spn

13 Trevor Immelman, SAf

14 Paul Casey, Eng

15 David Howell, Eng

6 Europeans in the Top 15 (#8, 9, 10, 12, 14, 15) vs 3 Americans in the Top 15 (#1, 2, 6). You're right the Europeans have better depth than the Americans for 2 weeks every other year but Golf is not about Team Play and very rarely Match Play. It is about Stroke Play and mostly the golfer versus the golf course.

Looking at the rankings is very misleading when you apply it on the PGA Tour because it seems like the Europeans are beating the Americans but winning ultimately determines of who is successful. And the Americans in the Top 15 clearly demolishes the European 6. How many tour victories do the 3 Americans have vs the European 6? And to take it further, how many majors did the Americans win last year vs the European 6? And even further, how many majors do the 3 Americans have in the careers vs the field?

I know you'll say it's skewed because of Tiger but even if you take Tiger out of the PGA Tour, I don't think the other Europeans would be able to "dominate" Phil, Jim or even Chris DeMarco in stroke play tournaments or in the majors--mind you, I said the Europeans which is what you were basing your point about. If you said the entire world, then that's a totally different point but even still, I'd still take the US Top 3 in any Stroke Play tournament over the field because Tiger and Phil alone have more talent and than any golfer out there--the others may have more "potential" but "potential" just means haven't done it.

[+TourSpecGolfer]

Chris,

I base it on hitting the club...You built me a 460 9.25 with Axiv 8080 and it flies high. I hit it the as far, as accurate, as my TM TP. It's just my opinion and gut instict, which are usually right on. I don't disagree with your approach. But I have a feeling he will pick the 9.5 and like it. And here are a few stats regarding American pro's...I wish they were different. Only 3 americans in the top 15

Yes I built you a club, but that doesnt mean there is nothing out there that can surpass that clubs performance, I mean cmon, how hard did we try, you were fit online with not much personal interaction with the club fitter at all.

If you had access to us and I let you hit our fitting clubs you would see increased ball speeds, more total yardage, and tighter dispersion in some clubs more than others. I wonder what your sub impact swing speeds are and how much the shaft is kicking because by figuring that out I can show you a flex or a bend profile, weight, etc. that will give you more distance. How do you know the quattro tech, pt-7, roddio, axivs tipped differently, and others would not impress you if you have not tried it?

but serious man, he will like the 9.5 or the 10.5, both are too solid to not enjoy. The point im trying to get across to you is perscribing specs for someone else who you know nothing about is like a doctor giving out medicine to a paitent he/she has not treated. Its impossible unless we hear a bit more about the fella's swing info.

In regards to the Euro's if they are better as you say then they will win the majority of events and majors on the PGA tour this year. That wood be amazingly cool but the chances are slim at best.

[gus]

Chris,

I base it on hitting the club...You built me a 460 9.25 with Axiv 8080 and it flies high. I hit it the as far, as accurate, as my TM TP. It's just my opinion and gut instict, which are usually right on. I don't disagree with your approach. But I have a feeling he will pick the 9.5 and like it. And here are a few stats regarding American pro's...I wish they were different. Only 3 americans in the top 15

Tiger Woods, USA

2 Jim Furyk, USA

3 Adam Scott, Aus

4 Ernie Els, SAf

5 Retief Goosen, SAf

6 Phil Mickelson, USA

7 Vijay Singh, Fij

8 Luke Donald, Eng

9 Padraig Harrington, Ire

10 Henrik Stenson, Swe

11 Geoff Ogilvy, Aus

12 Sergio Garcia, Spn

13 Trevor Immelman, SAf

14 Paul Casey, Eng

15 David Howell, Eng

I understand everyone's points here. I appreciate Chris defending proper fitting and taking personal accountability regarding quality and outcomes (good business) as it relates to high dollar club investments however I'm a feel player as well and I will choose the 9.5*/X-flex .5/1' open for sure. Since I never ever make my final driver decisions based on launch monitor numbers alone (on course is much more important to me, that's just me) and I don't have the abilitity to demo my optimal setup (never do anyway) I'm simply fellin this and I'm sure it's pretty close as well. That always seems to be the the nature of feel golfers and most people can't understand that which is fine. I asked for feedback and that's what you gave me so I say thanks brother. And Chris; you got my back and that's good for business! All good and no worries at all. Oh yeah; if "I" get it wrong and it doesn't fit I can always purchase a second driver and offer my mistake as a cherry for another lucky and loyal TSGer. That's part of the fun (my wife might differ!).

Edited February 11, 2007 by BigBen