gocchin Posted January 5, 2009 Report Share Posted January 5, 2009 So Golf Today's December issue had a test of 24 of the latest irons to give readers a general idea of forgiveness. As we have discussed in the past, forgiveness is very difficult to measure and can depend on so many factors including different swing styles, speeds, courses played on, shafts etc. Golf Today's test is meant to give consumers a general idea of how these new models perform with toe mis-hits and heel mis-hits as well as the type of iron they are and approximate distances for different types of players. The test used 3 different testers: Player A 40m/s (90mph) 6i avg 145y (mid handi) Player B 45m/s (102mph) 6i avg 158y (low handi) Player C 50m/s (113.5mph) 6i avg 187y (scratch) There are 4 check points in the test: Check 1 is distance for the 6i Check 2 is distance on toe and heel mis-hits as a percentage of a shot off the sweetspot. Check 3 is whether the testers rated the iron as Automatic or Manual. Automatic meaning pretty much swing away and the ball goes straight or draw, or Manual where the ball flight is controlled and manipulated by the player Check 4 is whether the iron is available with steel or graphite or both which can affect forgiveness as well Test was conducted outdoors WITH a launch monitor and distances averaged among useable data ie if the mid capper chunked a shot, it was not used. I found this useful as I tend to miss towards the toe so looking for an iron with minimal distance loss towards the toe is important to me... (even if it is knowing its the Burner Plus!!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxio Posted January 5, 2009 Report Share Posted January 5, 2009 (edited) 200 yard 6irons!!! Even with jacked up lofts this guy is pretty long. I like how the Japanese test things like this and try to put measurable or at least quantifiable numbers on them just for a good perspective. G, I can't read Japanese but would you have the raw numbers, just to see what the difference in percentage is? 2% could be 5 yards or it could be 5 feet. Edited January 5, 2009 by xxio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gocchin Posted January 5, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 5, 2009 x since its meant to give only a very general idea of forgiveness, the percentages shown are averages of the three players misses based off 100% distance which is their distance shown in Check 1. So for example JPX E600 Forged 159 162 196 are the distances for the 3 players when hitting dead center. The average would be around 172y and mis-hit of the toe is 93% and heel 95% meaning on average: 100% 172y 93% 160y mis hit off the toe 95% 164y mis hit off the heel These are averages so it is possible the mid capper brought the averages down while the scratch golfer who swings faster brought it up, I guess that's why its called average. (^_^) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxio Posted January 5, 2009 Report Share Posted January 5, 2009 Thank you for the explanation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idrive Posted January 5, 2009 Report Share Posted January 5, 2009 6 iron - 26-31* spread. That really is a lot of difference between mfg's. I wish everyone would make them the same. You buddy pulls out a 6 iron and hits it pin high so you pull out your 6 iron and fly the green... the next guy hits his 6 iron and it comes up short even though you all have the same SS. Great info G, thanks for the post. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randy Posted January 5, 2009 Report Share Posted January 5, 2009 Love this kind of info. Thanks for the post! Randy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landshark Posted January 5, 2009 Report Share Posted January 5, 2009 two clubs i'd like to see the differences are would be the on/off plus and the tourstage gr-c1. i can't get much from this translation, so you could sum up the differences a bit? thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gocchin Posted January 6, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 two clubs i'd like to see the differences are would be the on/off plus and the tourstage gr-c1. i can't get much from this translation, so you could sum up the differences a bit?thanks Both are considered manual irons. While the lofts are about the same it seems the GR is a tad longer. Forgiveness wise, the GR is more forgiving on the toe while the Onoff is more forgiving on heel mis hits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacksonlui Posted January 6, 2009 Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 thanks for the info. too bad they didn't throw Miura and Epon into the mix. i'm glad to see that the 901 blade displayed some forgiveness. wow, that burner iron..too bad it's so ugly. thanks for the info!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBone Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 Thanks for taking the time to scan and post! Trying to figure out all the data is making my head spin a bit. Love the pictures of the clubs in the playing position....that is the big take-away for me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xchangmanx Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 Love this kind of stuff!! Thanks T!! Awesome!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richmond Golfer Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 Its why I will switch and fiddle around with players clubs that all have the same lofts and offset. This way I can compare and see what feels the best and forgives. With the GI clubs the lofts and offsets are all over the place so, a 7 iron in one set has no relevance to a 7 iron in another set as there could be several degrees difference in loft and offset. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsg4tch Posted June 1, 2009 Report Share Posted June 1, 2009 I love this kind of stuff.....thanks for posting it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leehd Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 Wow...how about Kasco ? super hyten face...Kasco says "Super Hyten is twice as strong and hard as titanium" "The Super Hyten club heads are half the thickness of a normal titanium head, and this enables great sensitivity of head design. " they do beat the rest in 172 yeads with swing speed 45 m/s anyone ever tried them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shacco Posted January 9, 2010 Report Share Posted January 9, 2010 (edited) Wow, very interesting. I love comparing golf gear. I'm currently gaming Bridgestone J36 Pocket Cavities. I'm wondering which of the Tourstage offerings are in the same category. I would also be interested in the Yamaha Impress X V Forged (non Tour) 2010 Version and how they compare to the Bridgestones J36 PC in terms of forgivness. Is there a lot of difference? Edited January 10, 2010 by shacco Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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