supo Posted April 2, 2011 Report Share Posted April 2, 2011 (edited) at the range today on grass. comabtants were.. jbeam 435---crazy tj-46 srixon z\tr tour--- miyazaki kusala epon 102 crazy 80ls 2 epon 102 quadra proto ryoma--crazy 80 noir Tm r11 white thing some crapola stock piece of spam shaft . on off 2011 --roddio si6 s cpl more but these wre hit the most for compariosn i gamed the jbeam crazy bec i was hitting that the most consistant b4 the match, good decision bec on course i was killing it missed a cpl right which is to be expected with tis set up unless u get the hands completely thru on it it loves the right side, so for me it makes me really think about turin the hands over. hit a cpl of giant shots, really long monsters. its super straight , low and rolls a ton, the shaft was a tad too soft it was the 7.2 or s shft, i like the feel of the 7.7 better, and yes you cna rally feel the differnce. thsi driver is 314 x d2 x 46 inch really liking the jbeams , really good heads. the epons are the best feeling for sure, both those shafts are top class in this head. nothing else need apply in these heads. these suit perfectly perfect flight for me gets some good carry with good roll, no where near as low as the jbeam , utterly sensational clubs the new 2011 srixon tour 425 miayaki kusala combo.............. hmm def a proper tour style head rounded, deep and workable. about a billion times better than last yrs one, the tour is a seriosuly good piece. that shaft is avery good feeling shaft, i know absolutely about it but its very stiff and pingy, something likea tour palyer would like id imagine, not gretafeeling, not bad just like what a good player would expect. def on the stiff side of S, not to be toyed with. distance was good. on off 2011 , real surprise, they amde this lot more rounded , fuller and deeper than thier previous models and thsi is by far and away the best onoff to date. thsi combo is a LOT lower than the other models and super easy to hit. beautiful draws all day my partner was getting 10 odd yrds more than ususal. we were all pleassantly surprised. beautiful sound as well very whaaaaatinnnnnnnnng... and good ball flight looks like daiwa had done a lot of homework last yr to get this up to date. superb club! TM driver spam..., no clue what this is r11 with a gold bottom triangle that makes the club go open closed square with a white body. i HATE tm and all thier 70 new drivers per month BUT ihave to fess up this triangle thing is good, one of my all time best ever drivers is the burner TP. that thing was just so straight and short. this is like a new version ofthat club the shaft tho is a piece of spam on this , no idea what was in it a stock thing felt hideous but after 10 shots with this , and that was 9 more than i expected to hit ..., after 1 i went hang on a tic...............,let me hit some more. i shot 10 dead straight down the pipes about 20 odd yards shorter then the other top JDMS, but none the less 100% of these went dead staright i love the look of the trianlge shape driver and the whitehead is bloody good. i hate that i like this driver, i hate that fact , but fact is fact and this was the most consistant staright shooter of the day just 20 odd behind the rest, hey if thats yr thing then this is perfect, its not mine. but if i fall apart ill be running for one to regain confidence in a millisecond.......... its all carry no roll what so ever. ryoma v spec .. longest, draw ball every shot. great feeling, mid low flight. ididnt game this purposely today bec id gamed it 3 times in row with superb results and i wanted to see how the others go agianst it . well. i gotta say after todays game and bout another 200 odd shots on the range ill say thsi is my best driver. the draw bias shaft might be the reason but its just so noticeabe my confidence with this in hand is better than everything esle. i cant ignore it anymore. stil think the others feel better but over all this is my new NO 1. that noir shaft is just the best suited shaft for me, beautiful small draw. its back in the bag tomorrow......! Edited April 2, 2011 by supo67 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegaman Posted April 2, 2011 Report Share Posted April 2, 2011 at the range today on grass. comabtants were.. jbeam 435---crazy tj-46 srixon z\tr tour--- miyazaki kusala epon 102 crazy 80ls 2 epon 102 quadra proto ryoma--crazy 80 noir Tm r11 white thing some crapola stock piece of spam shaft . on off 2011 --roddio si6 s cpl more but these wre hit the most for compariosn i gamed the jbeam crazy bec i was hitting that the most consistant b4 the match, good decision bec on course i was killing it missed a cpl right which is to be expected with tis set up unless u get the hands completely thru on it it loves the right side, so for me it makes me really think about turin the hands over. hit a cpl of giant shots, really long monsters. its super straight , low and rolls a ton, the shaft was a tad too soft it was the 7.2 or s shft, i like the feel of the 7.7 better, and yes you cna rally feel the differnce. thsi driver is 314 x d2 x 46 inch really liking the jbeams , really good heads. the epons are the best feeling for sure, both those shafts are top class in this head. nothing else need apply in these heads. these suit perfectly perfect flight for me gets some good carry with good roll, no where near as low as the jbeam , utterly sensational clubs the new 2011 srixon tour 425 miayaki kusala combo.............. hmm def a proper tour style head rounded, deep and workable. about a billion times better than last yrs one, the tour is a seriosuly good piece. that shaft is avery good feeling shaft, i know absolutely about it but its very stiff and pingy, something likea tour palyer would like id imagine, not gretafeeling, not bad just like what a good player would expect. def on the stiff side of S, not to be toyed with. distance was good. on off 2011 , real surprise, they amde this lot more rounded , fuller and deeper than thier previous models and thsi is by far and away the best onoff to date. thsi combo is a LOT lower than the other models and super easy to hit. beautiful draws all day my partner was getting 10 odd yrds more than ususal. we were all pleassantly surprised. beautiful sound as well very whaaaaatinnnnnnnnng... and good ball flight looks like daiwa had done a lot of homework last yr to get this up to date. superb club! TM driver spam..., no clue what this is r11 with a gold bottom triangle that makes the club go open closed square with a white body. i HATE tm and all thier 70 new drivers per month BUT ihave to fess up this triangle thing is good, one of my all time best ever drivers is the burner TP. that thing was just so straight and short. this is like a new version ofthat club the shaft tho is a piece of spam on this , no idea what was in it a stock thing felt hideous but after 10 shots with this , and that was 9 more than i expected to hit ..., after 1 i went hang on a tic...............,let me hit some more. i shot 10 dead straight down the pipes about 20 odd yards shorter then the other top JDMS, but none the less 100% of these went dead staright i love the look of the trianlge shape driver and the whitehead is bloody good. i hate that i like this driver, i hate that fact , but fact is fact and this was the most consistant staright shooter of the day just 20 odd behind the rest, hey if thats yr thing then this is perfect, its not mine. but if i fall apart ill be running for one to regain confidence in a millisecond.......... its all carry no roll what so ever. ryoma v spec .. longest, draw ball every shot. great feeling, mid low flight. ididnt game this purposely today bec id gamed it 3 times in row with superb results and i wanted to see how the others go agianst it . well. i gotta say after todays game and bout another 200 odd shots on the range ill say thsi is my best driver. the draw bias shaft might be the reason but its just so noticeabe my confidence with this in hand is better than everything esle. i cant ignore it anymore. stil think the others feel better but over all this is my new NO 1. that noir shaft is just the best suited shaft for me, beautiful small draw. its back in the bag tomorrow......! Great reading! I play the Kusala Black 72 in Xstiff with a Vega head. A very stable, "serious" feeling shaft indeed..But I thought the new Srixon came with the Miyazaki Dromos shaft as standard? That shaft is "spineless", specially made for adjustable heads..Otherwise the Dromos looks, specwise, very similar to the Kusala ones.. Great review! The Ryoma...Its getting rave reviews everywhere! Havent read anything negative from anybody so far.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idrive Posted April 2, 2011 Report Share Posted April 2, 2011 Going to put a crazy in my Ryoma. I have a TJ-46 shaft sitting here.... much stiffer flex than the SR FE that's in it now. I think I'm over powering it when I go after it. I think the TJ might work better for me... let me go after it a little... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supo Posted April 2, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 2, 2011 jeff i think the tj 46s shaft is the longest of them all. they are virtuall sanp hook proof, which is why they suit that crazy head so well. plus the crazy is def a flex stiffer than the quadra. as much as i like to swapadn change shafts im not gonna touch the ryoma its perfect as is 321 x d1.5 x 45 taking a yamaha tour stinger out today to play in unison see how this stacks up agn, havnt hit this in a while such a waste! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eca Posted April 3, 2011 Report Share Posted April 3, 2011 Wow Stew.. so many toys. So if you have to go play 4 day successive rounds out of town and can only bring one and a back up, which will they be? Ryoma/Jbeam? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supo Posted April 3, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 3, 2011 thats impossible! but atm..., ryoma and epon quadra proto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landshark Posted April 4, 2011 Report Share Posted April 4, 2011 any chance you'll try the TM with a better shaft? maybe that would give you the additional yards you are losing? for grins, have you ever hit an adams 9064 yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+TourSpecGolfer Posted April 4, 2011 Report Share Posted April 4, 2011 If you check out the golf show video's the new R11 was shorter no matter what adjustment or shaft for stew. It was very accurate but lacked distance big time. My Crazy CRZ460 + LY-01 hot Black is literally 20+ yards longer than the JDM R11 I have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eca Posted April 4, 2011 Report Share Posted April 4, 2011 any chance you'll try the TM with a better shaft? maybe that would give you the additional yards you are losing? for grins, have you ever hit an adams 9064 yet? landshark have you hit the 9064LS yourself? Thats the head im putting the quadra into. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supo Posted April 4, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 4, 2011 If you check out the golf show video's the new R11 was shorter no matter what adjustment or shaft for stew. It was very accurate but lacked distance big time. My Crazy CRZ460 + LY-01 hot Black is literally 20+ yards longer than the JDM R11 I have. ooooooooh boy i want that head..., the r11 i hit with about 4 shafts i think longest i went was 270 and middled it perfectl y every time. great looking the white hting i like the triangle i like but no way am i giving up 20 30 yards on a drive. ot any more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegaman Posted April 4, 2011 Report Share Posted April 4, 2011 ooooooooh boy i want that head..., the r11 i hit with about 4 shafts i think longest i went was 270 and middled it perfectl y every time. great looking the white hting i like the triangle i like but no way am i giving up 20 30 yards on a drive. ot any more. I have heard these comments before, the same goes for the R9. Very userfriendly but extremely "spinny".. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eca Posted April 4, 2011 Report Share Posted April 4, 2011 Backspin = straighter shots right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegaman Posted April 4, 2011 Report Share Posted April 4, 2011 Backspin = straighter shots right? Yes, thats right. But also balooning and no roll-out.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ant Posted April 4, 2011 Report Share Posted April 4, 2011 no, thats wrong, spin has nothing to do with how straight it goes, spin axis tilt does however ie if spin axis is at zero, relative to horizon, you can have your spin rate at 3k or 10k it will still go dead straight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eca Posted April 4, 2011 Report Share Posted April 4, 2011 no, thats wrong, spin has nothing to do with how straight it goes, spin axis tilt does however ie if spin axis is at zero, relative to horizon, you can have your spin rate at 3k or 10k it will still go dead straight. but the higher the spin rate the more it will bias to 0 spin axis? ie less sidespin to a wedge even if you tried? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ant Posted April 5, 2011 Report Share Posted April 5, 2011 sorry, that doesnt make any sense to me. there is no such thing as sidespin. golf ball is spinning around an axis. when that axis is tilted that dictates how much the ball will either fade or draw, depending on spin axis tilt relative to horizon. spin rate, measured in rpms is simply a rate at which the ball spins around that axis. it will directly affect trajectory and indirectly distance via both carry distance and landing angle affecting potential roll distance. spinning it at higher rate will not make it go straighter. same applies to your wedges but the effect is less severe due to much higher loft and shorter distance involved but you can still curve them and it would even effect the roll direction once it hits the ground. they are obviously harder to curve but not because of the spin rate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supo Posted April 5, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 5, 2011 (edited) sheeeeesh.. my buddy pointed out that the TM driver and the callaway i hit with all the shafts gave me really high spin numbers on the ball dont ask me what thety were, but he noticed it and said hang on this is way higher than what is good for me. or what id been hitting previously i got the feeling that the higher the ball spin rate , the higher the shot went , and the less distance it went. and straighter i hit it consistantly when i hit a low spin shaft the overall distance is much better , but the higher spinning clubs i seem to hit straighter. oh and he triangle shaped or taperd back clubs like the TM burner, TM tp burner callway thing i hit that day al lseem to go shorter and straighter for me. ant does this sound right or normal? Edited April 5, 2011 by supo67 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ant Posted April 5, 2011 Report Share Posted April 5, 2011 supo67, yeah, it makes sense to me. look at your launch monitor shot graphs from top view or if you dont have them handy just draw arbitrary draw or fade shot copy on a piece of paper like you see it on from the top view ie horizontal central line to the target and distance markers vertical lines so you have reference points there. now trace that shot line from start to finish and see how much it deviates from your target at various points and you will find that the longer it goes the more side deviation you gonna get from that curve. so the trick here with you is to choke and drop it before it deviates too much but if you were to hit a straight shot or draw a straight line, on or very close to that horizontal central line, it wont matter how much spin rate there is, ie you would get exact same or close enough to ignore side deviation for any distance and any spin rate there. does that make sense to you ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supo Posted April 5, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 5, 2011 ithink so .., i get the idea ,yea..., i have a diablo piece of gfl SPAMM driver at homw that spins like mad, but boy it goes straight, juts goes straight no where. i reckon i hit this thing better than every driver ive ever hit but 20yards less and high, never done a test on a LM with hit but i bet its monster high i actually like to play this at a cpl of courses that arent long , but bruatlly hard, like pete dyes and muirheads designs. jsut swing and it goes somewhere down the middle not very far, just feels shiiiiiiiiiity, light, cheap and looks horrid, but it works! the control im getting with te ryoma and the nior shaft is quite eye opening for me. regardless fo my swing im getting great small draws pretty much every shot. theres something to be said for just hitting this shaft bec it suits my profile so well. but that would spoil allllllllllllllllllllllll the fun...................., Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegaman Posted April 5, 2011 Report Share Posted April 5, 2011 (edited) The more back spin you have, the easier it is to hit it straight, hence more forgiveness if you use a higher lofted friver. This is common basic knowledge. Its also the reason why its easier to hit a 3 wood straighter than a driver (together with the slightly shorter shaft), as well as the difference between a 7 iron and a 3 iron. Backspin equals strightness, but also less distance because of a much higher ball flight, and no roll. That is, if you have enough swingspeed of course. If you hit 2 identical drivers, one with 8 degrees of loft and the other with 11, I can guarantee that the 11 will be easie to hit straight, and depending on your swing speed, either longer or shorter than the 8 degree head. If you dont have enough swingspeed to "activate" a low lofted head you wont get it of the ground, and it will be low bullets. More backspin also minimizes the risk of a tilting axis, hence a straighter, less slicing/hooking shot..The ball is actually tilted spinning "sideways", other wise you could not fade, slice, draw or hook the ball. Edited April 5, 2011 by Vegaman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ant Posted April 5, 2011 Report Share Posted April 5, 2011 you are mixing up cause and effect. if you wanna believe your "basic common knowledge" that you are hitting it straighter because of higher spin rate dont let me stop you but in reality you are hitting it just as crooked as before. you can slice or hook it off the planet but if it goes just 5 yards long you gonna claim you just hit a straight shot. well, guess what, you didnt. there is a very good book called The Physics of Golf by Dr. Jorgensen, highly recommended if you wanna know how it all works and its not a complicated read, despite its title. all D plane stuff, TrackMan stuff and modern ball flight laws are pretty much based on his research. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supo Posted April 5, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 5, 2011 well, thats this afternoons kindle order sorted. now i just need to go to the rangetonight with my new toys and practice "strong off the left side" alll night till i get this fricken bug outta my system. and return to winning ways, this wekeend was NOT good for the bank balance, the stig cleaned me out big time. my newset toy is a coach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+TourSpecGolfer Posted April 5, 2011 Report Share Posted April 5, 2011 I read that book, very good read simple to understand and it's up to date. Had to try very hard to forget what I read because I started messing with what was working for me, ended up with a pretty swing and bad shots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ant Posted April 5, 2011 Report Share Posted April 5, 2011 you can just skip chapters dealing with the swing itself if you afraid to repeat TourSpecGolfer experience. imho the ball flight physics, ball flights laws and impact dynamics are the gold of that book. that stuff applies to any and all swings regardless. its certainly not swing instruction or method book and i can see how reading swing related material can mess you up. only problem illustrations are few and they aint great which is a damn shame coz that whole D plane thing is better digested with good 3d illustrations. if you find yourself in trouble on that front look for D plane vids on YouTube, there are several good ones from different folks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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