question on endo forging

[Kiwitown]

yes exactly.....,

i have many many sets of irons and ive tried loads of differnt styles.

but ive gravitated to the NS sps bec they ae firstly so tight and secondly with feel!

i have tendency to try and hit too hard with long irons esp with the harder flexed shafts

it was killing my desire to play 3 and 4 irons, and on my course back home i need to be able to play these or my score suffers.

so ive been working really hard on 3-4-5 irons at t the range , i always hit a lot of those irons to get them wired, and i found without a doubt that the slightly higher launching shafts suited my consistancy MUCH better than hitting SP blues, not being a automatron ball striker , ill take ALL the hlep i can get....

so i worked out that i hit so much more consistantly with a a tight shaft like the NS 1050 X which is stiff but light.

or a higher laucnhing mid kick one in heavier weight.

my tempo stays pure if i subconsciously know i dont have to muscle the ball to get it airborne.

esp on my home track which is short and many irons are required form tees a lot of the time and esp when it blows like a pornstar.

so i said ilove he feeling of the NS 1050 x shafts love them, but, they DO go very high, and they are light.

so i thought ilove t he set of yururi flatbacks i have with a set of sst pured NS SP orange

and ilove my set of kyoei NS sp blue

so i melded the idea to play like i explained above .

Thanks for that> with that said can u recommend a shaft set up for me?

Handicap 6

I swing like a girl Ha pretty slow apparently? 69mph with a 6 iron

Hit a 7 Iron 150 Meters on the Fly

My bad shot is a push to the right.

looking to get more carry with the longer irons. and tighter dispersion.

by the way i'm 6ft 3in and 130kg (but not round)

thanks

[gbs]

Cpl years ago i also learned about soft stepping. I liked the feel of heavier shafts as i have a tendency to move my wrist with the lighter shaft but i find them too stiff. So Soft stepping do help a bit. Especially now my short irons are heavier and stouter but i ease off on the long irons. (different weight and flex).

[swing981]

wait your a 6 handicap swinging 60 mph with a 6 iron..confused

[supo]

Thanks for that> with that said can u recommend a shaft set up for me?

Handicap 6

I swing like a girl Ha pretty slow apparently? 69mph with a 6 iron

Hit a 7 Iron 150 Meters on the Fly

My bad shot is a push to the right.

looking to get more carry with the longer irons. and tighter dispersion.

by the way i'm 6ft 3in and 130kg (but not round)

thanks

i cant think past the NS super peenings, really.

if u like to feel the ball more than just hit at an inanimate projectile like i do , these are so hard to beat.

150m 7 iron is about me as well ,but im 5-11 and like a bit more ease, so id say u could smoke a the NS sp blues.in stiff. or a soft steped x even.

dont ask me about DG i hate them.

they feel like railway tracks that have been hollowed out

.but 90% of the worlds golfers would disagree. most vehemently ....,

the "peening "process is where the shafts have been bombardedwith lots of ballbearings to harden up the steel and make it more dense and taught . i was told by the man at NS stand at the tokyo show," hmmmmmmmmm so desu ne ......," i

i had to nod in agreement.

hence its a bit more solid than the tour versions of the 950 1050 1150 range.

Spoon will be able to ad a lot more about the differnces hes hit everything there is

and goodsie could chime in here hes the craftsman when it come to makining clubs

my recco would be NS sp blue , pm goodsie seriously, he knows way better than i.

Edited April 14, 2011 by supo67

[ant]

thanx for clarifying that! i'm with you there that them clubs are meant to be played, thats why i said i dont care if black doesnt hold too well.

As a relative generalization, i think so. I tend to think miz were mushy.

Some older epon models had a clickier feel. Some miura are really soft.

I haven´t hit everything, but i think enough to tell the sometimes subjective difference.

I did own a set of black mb5003 and they did not wear well, but clubs are meant to be used and not just to be looked at.

The finish may have faded, but that´s it and doesn´t affect longevity of the club.

[+TourSpecGolfer]

question to folks here who hit both Epon and Mizuno MBs : how do you compare them feel wise ? i never had a chance to actually hit Epon but Mizuno feels very soft too me, even too soft for my liking.

The way I would describe Mizuno is Spongey, launchy, soft vibration. I think it supports anyone to know what specific model is being talked about when learning about foundries or forgings. For example Epon 502 & 702 don't feel anywhere as good as 302 and AF-Tour. or AF-Tour is S20C and feels softer than TourStage MB's.

With Stew that shaft makes a big difference, I love NS Pro in terms of feel. I love graphite the most for 2 reason's first is the kick feels more pronounced and the impact is softer. Imagine vibrations going up thin steel shaft walls vs thick carbon shaft walls. Especially when you move into 2 piece heads steel is louder and more metallic while graphite does help to soften things up.

[jamnguy1]

The way I would describe Mizuno is Spongey, launchy, soft vibration. I think it supports anyone to know what specific model is being talked about when learning about foundries or forgings. For example Epon 502 & 702 don't feel anywhere as good as 302 and AF-Tour. or AF-Tour is S20C and feels softer than TourStage MB's.

With Stew that shaft makes a big difference, I love NS Pro in terms of feel. I love graphite the most for 2 reason's first is the kick feels more pronounced and the impact is softer. Imagine vibrations going up thin steel shaft walls vs thick carbon shaft walls. Especially when you move into 2 piece heads steel is louder and more metallic while graphite does help to soften things up.

Definitely agree.

It's a big feat to get a softer/solid feel than Tourstage MB's. Tourstage MBs are sweet, but even among different models have varying degree of softness such as the old x-blade and the 901.

NS Pro shafts also known for good feel, some models better than others.

The right graphite shaft and the right head can work. But after experimenting with so many different graphite shafts in irons, I gave up ... mainly because of cost.

[Kiwitown]

wait your a 6 handicap swinging 60 mph with a 6 iron..confused

When i went to my local golf shop to get fitted for a set of clubs they got me to swing the 6 iron 10 times on the club fitting set up and thats what they said i was swinging at and they recommended regular shafts for me.....

I don't know if i swing harder on the course but thats what the told me!

Are you suggesting i should be swinging faster or What?

i'm open to any feed back i can get....

[Kiwitown]

i cant think past the NS super peenings, really.

if u like to feel the ball more than just hit at an inanimate projectile like i do , these are so hard to beat.

150m 7 iron is about me as well ,but im 5-11 and like a bit more ease, so id say u could smoke a the NS sp blues.in stiff. or a soft steped x even.

dont ask me about DG i hate them.

they feel like railway tracks that have been hollowed out

.but 90% of the worlds golfers would disagree. most vehemently ....,

the "peening "process is where the shafts have been bombardedwith lots of ballbearings to harden up the steel and make it more dense and taught . i was told by the man at NS stand at the tokyo show," hmmmmmmmmm so desu ne ......," i

i had to nod in agreement.

hence its a bit more solid than the tour versions of the 950 1050 1150 range.

Spoon will be able to ad a lot more about the differnces hes hit everything there is

and goodsie could chime in here hes the craftsman when it come to makining clubs

my recco would be NS sp blue , pm goodsie seriously, he knows way better than i.

Thanks "supo" i willlokk into them..

[gbs]

The way I would describe Mizuno is Spongey, launchy, soft vibration. I think it supports anyone to know what specific model is being talked about when learning about foundries or forgings. For example Epon 502 & 702 don't feel anywhere as good as 302 and AF-Tour. or AF-Tour is S20C and feels softer than TourStage MB's.

With Stew that shaft makes a big difference, I love NS Pro in terms of feel. I love graphite the most for 2 reason's first is the kick feels more pronounced and the impact is softer. Imagine vibrations going up thin steel shaft walls vs thick carbon shaft walls. Especially when you move into 2 piece heads steel is louder and more metallic while graphite does help to soften things up.

I agree with the Graphite. I was experimenting with the program shafts for my wedge.and they are way more consistent and easier to hit than my steel shafts. I am no pro and i do shank my wedges and it is def an ease to my wrist when that happens LOL. But yes they can be quite expensive as jamnguy1 said thats why i also have not gone down that path for my irons. Been changing too many shafts in the past few months.

[ant]

6 flushed at 60mph would probably carry about 100m at best. so if you are hitting your 7 to about 150m like you said, you must be hitting it with quite a bit more of clubhead speed.

When i went to my local golf shop to get fitted for a set of clubs they got me to swing the 6 iron 10 times on the club fitting set up and thats what they said i was swinging at and they recommended regular shafts for me.....

I don't know if i swing harder on the course but thats what the told me!

Are you suggesting i should be swinging faster or What?

i'm open to any feed back i can get....

[ant]

same here, very interested to try graphite in irons after reading TourSpecGolfer posts about them but with current prices for high end there its just too expensive for me to experiment with.

I agree with the Graphite. I was experimenting with the program shafts for my wedge.and they are way more consistent and easier to hit than my steel shafts. I am no pro and i do shank my wedges and it is def an ease to my wrist when that happens LOL. But yes they can be quite expensive as jamnguy1 said thats why i also have not gone down that path for my irons. Been changing too many shafts in the past few months.

[ant]

found Graphite Design Tour AD PRO in the pro shop here which is the most interesting, to me, spec i have seen so far. they are stupidly expensive tho, comparing to say equivalent spec Nippon steel, which is of course as expected. anybody here have tried them so far and if so what are your impressions ?

same here, very interested to try graphite in irons after reading TourSpecGolfer posts about them but with current prices for high end there its just too expensive for me to experiment with.

[swing981]

If u want these shafts from chris it's much less expensive..like 420 upcharge for 8 irons.....the retail is 100 per shaft

[jamnguy1]

found Graphite Design Tour AD PRO in the pro shop here which is the most interesting, to me, spec i have seen so far. they are stupidly expensive tho, comparing to say equivalent spec Nippon steel, which is of course as expected. anybody here have tried them so far and if so what are your impressions ?

Its for the stronger player.

[ant]

hmm TSG price for 8 shafts works out at about 144 per shaft so i'm confused. i realize talking prices here might not be appropriate and if thats the case i would appreciate pm explaining what the real deal is.

If u want these shafts from chris it's much less expensive..like 420 upcharge for 8 irons.....the retail is 100 per shaft

[ant]

how so ? super boardy ?

Its for the stronger player.

[swing981]

was saying if you purchase irons from him the upcharge is 420 for a set..not just the shafts itself

[ant]

ah, i see, thanx! not looking for a new set of irons right now. simply interested to try graphite mostly because its vibration dampening compared to steel since i'm hitting alot off mats now :( and was thinking that repairing my body could potentially get more costly long term than a set of graphite shafts.

was saying if you purchase irons from him the upcharge is 420 for a set..not just the shafts itself

[jamnguy1]

how so ? super boardy ?

felt boardy to me, definitely too much for my weak swing

i play between stiff/reg, driver ss 95

i have tried the regular tour ad and those were better, but still i go back to steel

imo, hard to beat ns pro 950 or 1050 with the right head

[+TourSpecGolfer]

Many people overlook NS950 because it's the standard shaft for just about every brand in Japan. I love the NS950, it feels great and has good distance.

I would love a shaft the is like the NS950 with a lower flight yet has the same distance and feel. NS1050 fit's that bill but IMO it doesn't feel as good as the 950.

[ant]

understood, thanx! i figured as much since they weight almost the same as light steel and you need alot of graphite to do that with it being so much lighter compared to steel. i know some manufacturers mix additional materials to just add weight without making them boardy but sounds like its not the case here. wouldnt mind trying them anyways tho not for that kinda coin. again, thanx for all the info, appreciated.

felt boardy to me, definitely too much for my weak swing

i play between stiff/reg, driver ss 95

i have tried the regular tour ad and those were better, but still i go back to steel

imo, hard to beat ns pro 950 or 1050 with the right head

[jamnguy1]

Many people overlook NS950 because it's the standard shaft for just about every brand in Japan. I love the NS950, it feels great and has good distance.

I would love a shaft the is like the NS950 with a lower flight yet has the same distance and feel. NS1050 fit's that bill but IMO it doesn't feel as good as the 950.

950gh is the best feeling, and personally i found that going to 1050 and 1150 the feel is not as good as the 950

as if 950 doesn't already launch high, they now have 950 HT which is even higher launching. for people who need to get the ball up in the air, this is a good shaft

[Spoon]

Many people overlook NS950 because it's the standard shaft for just about every brand in Japan. I love the NS950, it feels great and has good distance.

I would love a shaft the is like the NS950 with a lower flight yet has the same distance and feel. NS1050 fit's that bill but IMO it doesn't feel as good as the 950.

i agree. the ns950 is the gold standard in feel. thats why they use it in most stock offerings. defintely superior to anything american.

if they could replicate the feel of the ns950 in a mid to high kick lower launching shaft thats about 10-15 grams heavier then that

would be the ticket. i agree with chris the 1150s dont cut it,similar heavy version i would say is the SP reds but they feel harsh compared to

the marshmallow rebound feel of the 950. the 1050s would be the closest. have virtually tried all nspro shafts from 750 to sp blue, only thing

i missed out on were the browns. the 750s in hybrids are spectacular!

right now i went 180deg and am back to the shafts i was using in 07. since i love the DGS300 i decided to relive the Tour concept shafts. i had these

with the type x. Chris hooked me back in 07. C you remember? anyway i am yet to hit these shafts in my latest combo, will head to the range later.

also swapped out my s400 tour issues for the new DG spinner non + wedge shafts. really excited about these.

feel is subjective. others hate dg feel but i like DG flight and trajectory. i do admit that NSPRO is best in feel but im willing to sacrifice feel for trajectory

for now. who knows in a few months i could have a combo shaft set like stews. have built many but am yet to try em on for myself.

stew, your using sp orange/blue softstep X not hardstep S:)

[ant]

yeah feel is very subjective! i actually like how 1150 feel. my only, minor, issue with them is that they launch it a bit high, not by much but still. then again i dont like mushy kinda feel from anything so thats subjective as well. i think i'm gonna cross to the dark side and convert to graphite tho because of its vibration dampening and if it doesnt feel as good and smooth, well, screw it.

i agree. the ns950 is the gold standard in feel. thats why they use it in most stock offerings. defintely superior to anything american.

if they could replicate the feel of the ns950 in a mid to high kick lower launching shaft thats about 10-15 grams heavier then that

would be the ticket. i agree with chris the 1150s dont cut it,similar heavy version i would say is the SP reds but they feel harsh compared to

the marshmallow rebound feel of the 950. the 1050s would be the closest. have virtually tried all nspro shafts from 750 to sp blue, only thing

i missed out on were the browns. the 750s in hybrids are spectacular!

right now i went 180deg and am back to the shafts i was using in 07. since i love the DGS300 i decided to relive the Tour concept shafts. i had these

with the type x. Chris hooked me back in 07. C you remember? anyway i am yet to hit these shafts in my latest combo, will head to the range later.

also swapped out my s400 tour issues for the new DG spinner non + wedge shafts. really excited about these.

feel is subjective. others hate dg feel but i like DG flight and trajectory. i do admit that NSPRO is best in feel but im willing to sacrifice feel for trajectory

for now. who knows in a few months i could have a combo shaft set like stews. have built many but am yet to try em on for myself.

stew, your using sp orange/blue softstep X not hardstep S:)