Roddio W7WA

[Vegaman]

Hi guys

I bought the Roddio W7WA in Xstiff shaft from the TSG on the recent "eathquake clear out" sale. I paired it up with a Tourstage Xdrive 703. Now, by bad shot can be a bit right, thats for sure. When I really drive the ball bad I slice it, sometimes crazily. The feel of the Xdrive clubhead is just excellent. I took it out and hit some really solid Power fades, that is not too high with a gentle left to right flight with some pretty amazing roll too, something that Im not used to, its normally all carry for me..Its hard to hit this combo straight though, which is my normal ball flight when Im swinging well. The last 2 days I havent been swinging it that great, more like normal, and that has proved disatrous with the Roddio and the 703. Im sure the head is fine, but maybe the Roddio is EXTREMELY antileft. I went out and played 9 hoels yesterday afternoon, shot a nice 40. Hit the irons really really solid, but dumped 2 balls in the water after hitting 2 HUGE slices that left me dumbfounded since I felt I was swinging it really well. I did also carry the green on a short par 4 with a straightish bomb (still a tiny bit of left to right)..I feel like I need to super realease sith this club.

I also bought it shaft only, and my club guy here in Phuket has never fitted a head to a Roddio before. I told him to tip it to length (because it cpm´d out as not much more than stiff) and put the white side up..Is there something special to tink about when fitting the Roddio?

Anybody have any experience? Similar or not all?

I have a pretty slow short backswing, with a sometimes violent and really aggressive downswing. A bit jerky when Im off..

Im going out to play a pretty tough course again today (Blue Canyon, Canyon Course) here in Phuket and we will see how it goes. But Im almost scared of a few holes that I already see myself slicing to hell, ha ha.

[gocchin]

Hi C,

The WA series is pretty anti left but simply tipping it to length may not have been a good idea. Roddios are very sensitive to tipping and not doing it right can cause havoc.

How much tip did he cut?

T

[supo]

oooooooooooooh ya....., dont tip roddios ive been informed many many times, ive psoted this fact numerous times.

they are for butt cuts only.

white side up is correct.

but yes u will be playing right a fair bi id think.

makes it good if u can power ur hands over and get the draw shape this thing wil be a pwerhouse..

[Vegaman]

Hi C,

The WA series is pretty anti left but simply tipping it to length may not have been a good idea. Roddios are very sensitive to tipping and not doing it right can cause havoc.

How much tip did he cut?

T

Tipped it 1 inch..It was still 0.335 one inch up so I thought why not..Anyway, today i continued hitting very far, but very sliced, to start with. Then i got a bit angry and hit one really really hard, as hard as to usually give me a lot of trouble and BOOM it went around 320 yards...(!) AND straight. I went on to hit some huge bombs, one even was a draw, ha ha. And every time I tried to hit it smoothly I sliced it or at best faded it. Its like I have to put a real concious effort into the release which feels odd and a bit "not right". The club is very stable, as shown by the fact that I could go after it almost recklessly and still I hit it pretty solid, weird. I still feel its a bit too wild to use regularly, too bad.

So, the shaft is now ruined I guess, so thats it. Guess I need to take a look at some other shaft. A wasteful experience.

Edited April 22, 2011 by Vegaman

[Vegaman]

By the way Tario, I also mailed you and asked you specifically if there is anything I should be aware of when it comes to fitting and tipping a Roddio Shaft..You never mailed me back and so I thought there was nothing in particualr to think about. Now, I know that officially I am only supposed to get the Roddio installed by a qualified Tech and that maybe you are not allowed to mention any specifics about it according to the instructions from Daiwa. But you did sell it to me "shaft only".

Something to to keep in mind if you ever sell Roddio as Shaft Only again. That is, please inform the customer if there is something important to keep in mind, especially if said customer emails you and asks about it.

Here is the Email, sent on the 8th of april:

"Hi Tario

I got the Roddio shaft already, excellent packaging by the way. Im gonna fi it with the Tourstage 703 driver head I bought from Stew last week, lets see ho the fit together. Antway, is there someting I should be aware of when it comes to installation? Should it be tipped? I remember reading that it shoud be installed text down so I can see only the white part of the shaft, does that mean they are somehow "pre-spined" or something?

Thank you

Christian"

[+TourSpecGolfer]

Now the rules have changed a little. We can sell Roddio shaft only.

Yea tipping it very slightly increases the CPM's quite a lot. I have never heard that you are not supposed to tip Roddio's and I went to their training in Japan.

I forget how many mm = 8cpms. Not sure.

I have a similar problem with slicing, and like you certain shafts go dead straight or draw when I swing like a mad man. It's usually how I get my longest drives.

Just overall the WA isn't the right shaft for someone with a slice.

[Vegaman]

Now the rules have changed a little. We can sell Roddio shaft only.

Yea tipping it very slightly increases the CPM's quite a lot. I have never heard that you are not supposed to tip Roddio's and I went to their training in Japan.

I forget how many mm = 8cpms. Not sure.

I have a similar problem with slicing, and like you certain shafts go dead straight or draw when I swing like a mad man. It's usually how I get my longest drives.

Just overall the WA isn't the right shaft for someone with a slice.

Yeah, looks like missmatch for me with the WA. So, on to other shafts then. The head feels wonderful anyway.

EDIT: Forgot to mention that after hitting it really hard and solid for 5 holes, I went on to hit a HUGE maybe 40 meters high MEGAhook out of nowhere that left me (and my buddies) stunned..It was so shocking that I wouldnt be able to do it again even if I tried for like 20 times. I have never ever hit a shot like that before and my buddies where equally shocked and said they had never seen me, or anybody for that matter, hit it like that. It must have been close to a hundred yards off line to the left, I hit it through the adjacent fairway and ended up in that fairway's right rough..Very weird.

Edited April 23, 2011 by Vegaman

[gocchin]

If you tipped it 1" that is not bad. When you said you tip cut to length I was thinking you may have taken 2" + off which would have been far too much. 1" is much more normal and if i remember correctly increases CPM approximately 10-15 cpm depending on the setup.

As I said the WA is pretty anti left.

[Duffer19]

Is it just me or other feels the same that tipping a driver shaft is pretty much a north America thing, particular the US. I read from people posting on WRX that they would regularly tip a new driver shaft 1 inch or more without even trying it. I would assume that the shaft manufacturers would design a shaft to play with certain characteristic and see no reason to change it until proven unsatisfactory. I have yet come across a fitter that would recommend tipping a premium shaft the first time out.

[Vegaman]

Is it just me or other feels the same that tipping a driver shaft is pretty much a north America thing, particular the US. I read from people posting on WRX that they would regularly tip a new driver shaft 1 inch or more without even trying it. I would assume that the shaft manufacturers would design a shaft to play with certain characteristic and see no reason to change it until proven unsatisfactory. I have yet come across a fitter that would recommend tipping a premium shaft the first time out.

I have no idea, Im neither American or well versed in fitting and cutting shafts. The club guy I use here in Phuket said that the Roddio was pretty soft for an Xstiff weighing 74 grams. He weighed it and put a clamp on it, showed a few other shafts rated as stiff and Xstiff that freq'd out stiffer (among them the ever mysterious Superio) The shaft had to be cut somewhere since I wanted the total length to be around 46 inches. So shaft makers are designing their shafts to be cut at the but only? Does a cut at the but section not alter "the characteristics" or what? Are you telling me I should build a 47 inches long driver and then try it, cut and try, cut and try? Dont think thats the normal thing to do either.

Edited April 23, 2011 by Vegaman

[+TourSpecGolfer]

Tipping a driver shaft just because makes no sense to me. I usually say start a bit longer test it un tipped if it need something then yank and tip if necessary.

I usually only tip if I'm sure its the right shaft or it has most of the characteristics that I desire and I only find it needs to be stiffened up a bit or fly a hair lower.

In low end shaft tipping will increase CPM's and that's about it.

In higher end more specifically designed shafts tipping will not only increase CPM's but can possibly change other factors incorporated into it's original design.

[Vegaman]

Tipping a driver shaft just because makes no sense to me. I usually say start a bit longer test it un tipped if it need something then yank and tip if necessary.

I usually only tip if I'm sure its the right shaft or it has most of the characteristics that I desire and I only find it needs to be stiffened up a bit or fly a hair lower.

In low end shaft tipping will increase CPM's and that's about it.

In higher end more specifically designed shafts tipping will not only increase CPM's but can possibly change other factors incorporated into it's original design.

Ok, good to know. Now, I doubt I will go out and buy this shaft again just to see how it plays untipped..But something to keep in mind for the future. Anyway, how deep is a typical driver hosel? How long is a driver shaft after its been cut to length if you want to have a "playing length" at around 45 or 45.5? Will it come out at around 43.75 to 44.5?

[+TourSpecGolfer]

Every hosel is different. IMO the Best way is to slide the pulled shaft in the head and measure the complete length then.

I play my drivers at 45". I enjoy 44.75" this allows me some wiggle room for tipping when I rarely decide to.

Ask your club maker to always dry fit the head to figure out actual swing weight, length, and even cpms. Many clubmakers just cut and paste, It depends on how picky you are.

many times I cut and paste because I prefer not to change the clubs original design by hot melting. I want the tip section of the shaft to play active by design so I don't want a wood weight in there and I want my club at 45" even if it comes out at D0 or a bit lighter I can adjust to that vs changing the head forever.

[Vegaman]

Every hosel is different. IMO the Best way is to slide the pulled shaft in the head and measure the complete length then.

I play my drivers at 45". I enjoy 44.75" this allows me some wiggle room for tipping when I rarely decide to.

Ask your club maker to always dry fit the head to figure out actual swing weight, length, and even cpms. Many clubmakers just cut and paste, It depends on how picky you are.

many times I cut and paste because I prefer not to change the clubs original design by hot melting. I want the tip section of the shaft to play active by design so I don't want a wood weight in there and I want my club at 45" even if it comes out at D0 or a bit lighter I can adjust to that vs changing the head forever.

Ok, I will go measure some hosels. The reason Im asking ia that the TJ46 Nero comes at a length of 44.5, so it might be that it can go in the head without cutting at all, and come out around 45.5 i thought.