supo Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm..., well, the thing is ........ when u game the ryoma, and u can only hit one ball. in match conditions THATS when this thing steps right up to the very top of the list. after several rounds u will prob notice that it WONT be the longest driver u ever hit, nor will u be able to bend it much but for the love of god.... i dont think theres anything ive ever hit that gets me on or right next to the fairway more often than this thing does. the differnce , (as we all know ) between bombing balls willy nilly with no pressure in practice, and getting the match ball onto the fairway regularly is humongous. THIS.............. is where the ryoma will just make u smile , im sure of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eca Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm..., well, the thing is ........ when u game the ryoma, and u can only hit one ball. in match conditions THATS when this thing steps right up to the very top of the list. after several rounds u will prob notice that it WONT be the longest driver u ever hit, nor will u be able to bend it much but for the love of god.... i dont think theres anything ive ever hit that gets me on or right next to the fairway more often than this thing does. the differnce , (as we all know ) between bombing balls willy nilly with no pressure in practice, and getting the match ball onto the fairway regularly is humongous. THIS.............. is where the ryoma will just make u smile , im sure of it. Stew is absolutely right on except maybe for the distance :) (he's got too much in his arsenal) You really need to assess during a round or two on a course you are very familiar with. My better drives or the ones that astounds me distance wise are generally the 1st tee shot when ur not quite warmed up & u focus in putting a good 80% swing & good contact so u don't look silly. It's not the same swing for me when at range. Then u will have those, umm I didn't catch that then u walk up to your ball & it's further than what expected.. a lot & in play. Maybe make the trip to the warmer side & squeeze a couple of rounds :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robb40 Posted December 6, 2011 Report Share Posted December 6, 2011 This is so important for people to know. I had a buddy who was killing the Tit. D3 on the launch monitor and was 35 yards shorter in real conditions than his old driver. I know they can juice the sims sometimes but still it was silly how far off it was. with all due respect to the trackman, i treat them as indicative if i have multiple clubs to compare. On course testing where you see ball flight and roll, accuracy and distance on home course vs your previous driver as you know your normal distances etc. Performance against wind, able to shape on that slight dogleg blah blah.. all important stuff. I've heard of people getting the ideal numbers on trackman only to get out in the real world and see their drives just drop from the air and hardly going nowhere. Unfortunately for you its off season and you must be just edging to get out there :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robb40 Posted December 6, 2011 Report Share Posted December 6, 2011 Hey paul just wanted to let you know that I really like the feel of the Crazy 460 and the look of the club as well. I need a lower launching shaft but I hope to have that done soon. Just a thought for another club to consider if the Ryoma does not work out. Went to my club today...in fact, I was the only fool out there with it being in the high 40's and windy, but when I'm on a mission, what can I say? I really wanted a live test on a course that's well know to me with a driver I know like the back of my hand (my Nike) against the Ryoma, albeit in rather harsh and windy conditions. I drove out to our number 11 hole...longish par 5 and marked 5 balls w a black sharpie, 5 unmarked. Starting hitting first with the Nike, then the Ryoma. After duck hooking my first few drives, I settled down a bit and started grooving my swing a bit. I repeated this seQuence of hitting 5 Nike balls, 5 Ryoma balls about 3 times. Soooo, you might ask, whats the conclusion?? Still a bit inconclusive, but I believe the results proved out what the trakman showed me the other day, which is that I was a few yards longer and maybe a little tighter dispersion with the Ryoma. I know I need to spend more time and get to know the driver a bit more, but still looking for what I would consider a few long bombs as advertised. Also as I indicated previously, the sound at impact is much more muted when I go after it vs the Nike...in fact, a few times felt like I missed the ball the sound was so muted! My new thought process, besides relaxing a bit and getting to know my new driver a bit more, is to have my fitter take a look at my swing on the trakman and compare to a few Epons he has and my Nike driver. Just hate the idea of spending money on a fitting just as winter settles in! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swisstrader Posted December 7, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2011 Hey paul just wanted to let you know that I really like the feel of the Crazy 460 and the look of the club as well. I need a lower launching shaft but I hope to have that done soon. Just a thought for another club to consider if the Ryoma does not work out. I'll take all your hand me downs Robb! Hope the experiment goes well for you and that you figure out best shaft options. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wmclarenf1 Posted December 7, 2011 Report Share Posted December 7, 2011 (edited) Hey paul just wanted to let you know that I really like the feel of the Crazy 460 and the look of the club as well. I need a lower launching shaft but I hope to have that done soon. Just a thought for another club to consider if the Ryoma does not work out. Hi Robb, I could be alone on this but the Crazy 460 (I have not tried it) seems to be described by most as a carry bomber and is inherently a high launching head by design. If you are looking for a lower launch, I think shaft and ball can bring it down some but if the head is designed to be high launching, there is only so much shaft and ball can do and you may at the end of the day need to find a head that is deisgned for a lower lauch to begin with? Again, the above comment although is from my experience with quite a few heads in the past and as a hardish core amateur hobby fitter, is just my opinion which of course could be left field off. Edited December 7, 2011 by wmclarenf1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robb40 Posted December 13, 2011 Report Share Posted December 13, 2011 Hi Robb, I could be alone on this but the Crazy 460 (I have not tried it) seems to be described by most as a carry bomber and is inherently a high launching head by design. If you are looking for a lower launch, I think shaft and ball can bring it down some but if the head is designed to be high launching, there is only so much shaft and ball can do and you may at the end of the day need to find a head that is deisgned for a lower lauch to begin with? Again, the above comment although is from my experience with quite a few heads in the past and as a hardish core amateur hobby fitter, is just my opinion which of course could be left field off. I hear what you are saying and I agree. What I was seeing was a high ballon shot that hit and rolled maybe a yard or two. I spoke to miyazaki today for awhile. Very helpful staff. First a few other things have come to light since my original post. I am embarrassed for starters. When I got the club back from the guy who put the shaft in I did not review my original spec requests. I grabbed the club and went to the driving range and then to my course for 27 holes. I asked for the driver to play at 45 inches in total length. I did not check the club when i picked it up. From the start I could tell that it had a weird feel to it. It was tough to get through the ball. The shaft is 61 grams so i was confused as to why it was so tough to get through the ball. Well you know where this is going. I got home and realized that the club was playing 47 1/2 inches. I was stunned. I do not like anything close to that length. Feels like it takes a day to get to the ball. The guy at Miyazaki laughed when I told him this and rally urged me to trim the butt so the driver will play 45 inches. He suggested that I tip the shaft 1/2 inch if the launch is still too high at 45. From the rep- this shaft is a high launch shaft but should not balloon and die. So I will get the shaft back in and this time make sure it is 45 inches when I pick it up. Worth a try then I will know if it is time to move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eca Posted December 13, 2011 Report Share Posted December 13, 2011 I hear what you are saying and I agree. What I was seeing was a high ballon shot that hit and rolled maybe a yard or two. I spoke to miyazaki today for awhile. Very helpful staff. First a few other things have come to light since my original post. I am embarrassed for starters. When I got the club back from the guy who put the shaft in I did not review my original spec requests. I grabbed the club and went to the driving range and then to my course for 27 holes. I asked for the driver to play at 45 inches in total length. I did not check the club when i picked it up. From the start I could tell that it had a weird feel to it. It was tough to get through the ball. The shaft is 61 grams so i was confused as to why it was so tough to get through the ball. Well you know where this is going. I got home and realized that the club was playing 47 1/2 inches. I was stunned. I do not like anything close to that length. Feels like it takes a day to get to the ball. The guy at Miyazaki laughed when I told him this and rally urged me to trim the butt so the driver will play 45 inches. He suggested that I tip the shaft 1/2 inch if the launch is still too high at 45. From the rep- this shaft is a high launch shaft but should not balloon and die. So I will get the shaft back in and this time make sure it is 45 inches when I pick it up. Worth a try then I will know if it is time to move on. Robb, maybe get it cut to 45.5 1st just in case you need to tip 1/2"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wmclarenf1 Posted December 13, 2011 Report Share Posted December 13, 2011 (edited) I hear what you are saying and I agree. What I was seeing was a high ballon shot that hit and rolled maybe a yard or two. I spoke to miyazaki today for awhile. Very helpful staff. First a few other things have come to light since my original post. I am embarrassed for starters. When I got the club back from the guy who put the shaft in I did not review my original spec requests. I grabbed the club and went to the driving range and then to my course for 27 holes. I asked for the driver to play at 45 inches in total length. I did not check the club when i picked it up. From the start I could tell that it had a weird feel to it. It was tough to get through the ball. The shaft is 61 grams so i was confused as to why it was so tough to get through the ball. Well you know where this is going. I got home and realized that the club was playing 47 1/2 inches. I was stunned. I do not like anything close to that length. Feels like it takes a day to get to the ball. The guy at Miyazaki laughed when I told him this and rally urged me to trim the butt so the driver will play 45 inches. He suggested that I tip the shaft 1/2 inch if the launch is still too high at 45. From the rep- this shaft is a high launch shaft but should not balloon and die. So I will get the shaft back in and this time make sure it is 45 inches when I pick it up. Worth a try then I will know if it is time to move on. You should fire your clob fitter. Seriously. Especially he he varies from your specs he should tell you and tell you why. That said, being a club fitting hobbyisyt and when I was playing regularly, experiemented with every conceivable new driver shaft, I could almost always tell just from addressing the club if the driver was significantly over or under the 44.75 I am used to. Butt trim the finished length grip on to 45.5 and choke down first. If you find it still a tad high and little roll, then tip it 0.5 inch and you will have your 45 inch length. Thsi does first to cave yourself a possible shaft extention. Again, if the ball flight is stil way too high, tipping it won;t help too much, some but not to much. It will help some with roll. I just tipped my DI5 half inch., ball flight is similar, "feels" a bit former and rool is slightly more... on the course, not some LM. Edited December 13, 2011 by wmclarenf1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IshikawaFAN Posted December 13, 2011 Report Share Posted December 13, 2011 7.2 is too much shaft for your swing speed. Either lift a bit of weight or enjoy the accuracy with your current speed. Your bad shots are due to your strength not the shaft or head. Good luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robb40 Posted December 13, 2011 Report Share Posted December 13, 2011 7.2 is too much shaft for your swing speed. Either lift a bit of weight or enjoy the accuracy with your current speed. Your bad shots are due to your strength not the shaft or head. Good luck! I think this is why i sold this driver to Paul so quickly. 7.2 just seemed too stiff for a 106 SS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swisstrader Posted December 13, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 13, 2011 (edited) I think this is why i sold this driver to Paul so quickly. 7.2 just seemed too stiff for a 106 SS. Haha! If it was too stiff for you bro at 106 ss, then a complete board for me with a 96ss:) I had been using a Proforce V2 with my Nike Sasquatch head...that shaft is stiff, 66 grams, butt of 267 w mid stiffness of 7.0...unsure how this compares to my 7.2 Crazy, but always felt very good to me. The jury is still out for me in terms of distance on the driver, but it is straight. I am being patient with waiting for real live conditions on the course vs my local range w a trakman to determine. Edited December 13, 2011 by swisstrader Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robb40 Posted December 13, 2011 Report Share Posted December 13, 2011 Haha! If it was too stiff for you bro at 106 ss, then a complete board for me with a 96ss:) I had been using a Proforce V2 with my Nike Sasquatch head...that shaft is stiff, 66 grams, butt of 267 w mid stiffness of 7.0...unsure how this compares to my 7.2 Crazy, but always felt very good to me. The jury is still out for me in terms of distance on the driver, but it is straight. I am being patient with waiting for real live conditions on the course vs my local range w a trakman to determine. Don't get me wrong the ultimate reason for me was the feel of the face as well as the address profile. I knew I could re shaft if I was really in love with the head. I do not like muted heads. I want to know from sound and feel when it is a pure shot. I do not want a driver to sound or feel the same no matter the contact. I wanted to like this head because it is a real looker for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eca Posted December 13, 2011 Report Share Posted December 13, 2011 Umm 7.2 user here & my prgr rep has clocked 105 max during rounds (slower at dr range) absolutely no issue. Must be swing style difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robb40 Posted December 13, 2011 Report Share Posted December 13, 2011 Must be or could be the model of Crazy. I did not like the feel of it at all. Would love to try a RD in my Crazy 460 but that is a lot of coin on hope. Umm 7.2 user here & my prgr rep has clocked 105 max during rounds (slower at dr range) absolutely no issue. Must be swing style difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IshikawaFAN Posted December 13, 2011 Report Share Posted December 13, 2011 Stop being crazy... sell your driver to a crazy dude. Buy a yamaha D460 or D445 depending on your strike... stock shaft will be more than enough for your swing speed. You need to crush a head to make it sound and feel good... once the stock gets too easy THEN invest in a shaft. If you really need to show some flash... once you increase your speed and technique a bit, GD EV 5 reg/stiff OR md 6 SR flex will give your speed amazing results! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eca Posted December 14, 2011 Report Share Posted December 14, 2011 On the eve of RD arrival, CB46 is not going down without a fight. Missed 2 fwys today with it one pulled among the trees one just on the 1st cut. Gian11 is thinking I wasted my dough lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sundowner Posted December 19, 2011 Report Share Posted December 19, 2011 On the eve of RD arrival, CB46 is not going down without a fight. Missed 2 fwys today with it one pulled among the trees one just on the 1st cut. Gian11 is thinking I wasted my dough lol. who won the battle?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eca Posted December 19, 2011 Report Share Posted December 19, 2011 who won the battle?? Slight delay, just got here today while I'm out. Got a competition Wednesday so the cb46 has to stay until the afternoon. I should get a good indication by mid next week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eca Posted December 21, 2011 Report Share Posted December 21, 2011 (edited) Played with Jonathan (Gian11) today, he offers to take my reshaft to the builder as its near him along with 2 irons i want checked. Then he will just brings it to the friday Comp. So After the game, i gave him the Roydeco & 2 irons and left. Two dopeys.. Forgot to hand over the driver itself & none of us picked up on it.. Doh!!!! And this CB46 is like a hot GF that decides to get hotter coz I'm looking elsewhere ugh.. Missed 3 fwys today. Edited December 21, 2011 by Eca Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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