RIduffer Posted October 2, 2012 Report Share Posted October 2, 2012 A couple of threads have popped up recently, like "what would you like to see from Epon", that got me thinking... What is the smallest run of a particular club head some of the premium JDM forgers would need to manufacture in order for a set to cost under $2500 US retail…. Alternately what would it take for one of the JDM brands to include a custom design into their production run with one of the forging houses? For example, take Stew's comment about the TS 905 MB blade. How large of an order would it take to get TS to build it again, a little softer and a little thicker... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoon Posted October 2, 2012 Report Share Posted October 2, 2012 When Nike did an endo run in the early 2000s I head something like 30000 pcs per mould. But these were 400usd clubs. Yamaha has the tours At 1000pcs but at a premium 1500usd price. I'm sure tsger has the info Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supo Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 i asked that a long time ago and i cant remember the figure. id think its gotta be around 1000 ish. oh if .... i cud get them to just adjust thosoe 905 heads a wee bit...... oh boy oh joy..! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shambles Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 That kind of question belongs more in China than anywhere else. It's where the Major, Minor, Also Ran's, Component, Clone, Counterfeit and Novelty distributers are sourcing these days. Shambles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIduffer Posted October 3, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 That kind of question belongs more in China than anywhere else. It's where the Major, Minor, Also Ran's, Component, Clone, Counterfeit and Novelty distributers are sourcing these days. The point of the question is to maintain the quality of JDM, not just knock off a product... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIduffer Posted October 3, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 i asked that a long time ago and i cant remember the figure. id think its gotta be around 1000 ish. oh if .... i cud get them to just adjust thosoe 905 heads a wee bit...... oh boy oh joy..! I'd snap up a few... So only 997 to go... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supo Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 id have to have oh say........... one for oz.. one for here.. one for hokkaido.. one for hawaii.. and one for singapore.s owere down to say 992 already Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiromikey Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 well...if the personals were limited to only 500 sets...there's no reason they couldn't do that instead of 1000. i still want my baby blades by epon so if we can talk them into that i'm in!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+TourSpecGolfer Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 I figure at least 500k would do it. Cad + Mold + at least 1000 sets. That's just a guess. We gotta remember that brands like Yamaha are building most of their entire line up of Drivers, Wedges, Irons at ENDO so that prob is part of the calculations or negotiations as well. Epon well their mommy is ENDO so I assume that different rules apply. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoon Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 Epon well their mommy is ENDO so I assume that different rules apply. you said it! only the best at no expense for your child. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIduffer Posted October 3, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 I figure at least 500k would do it. Cad + Mold + at least 1000 sets. That's just a guess. We gotta remember that brands like Yamaha are building most of their entire line up of Drivers, Wedges, Irons at ENDO so that prob is part of the calculations or negotiations as well. Epon well their mommy is ENDO so I assume that different rules apply. Okay... So for arguments sake... TS already has 90% of the work done on the CAD, it needs some adjustment and new molds... Would that lower the barrier... Something TS might do or is it always starting from scratch? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoon Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 Okay... So for arguments sake... TS already has 90% of the work done on the CAD, it needs some adjustment and new molds... Would that lower the barrier... Something TS might do or is it always starting from scratch? defintely doable on the cad part. as for moulds i think they have to start with a new one. a single iron mould runs into the thousands and thousands of dollars Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gocchin Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 Any changes to the mold will require completely new molds and for a high end model like TS we are talking tens of thousands for the molds. As far as I know Endo minimum is 1000 sets and that is even for big brands that do all their clubs with endo. This is one of the deterrents for smaller brands when it comes to working with Endo. While Endo has the highest quality and is the most technically advanced forger in the world, all this equals the highest costs. This is why Callaway, Titleist, TS, Yamaha, PRGR. Fourteen, ONOFF all have irons priced quite high compare to say Srixon's new Z series which Srixon are forging themselves. Also when it comes to Endo, what allows them to stand out from other forging houses. or should I say from every other forging house is that Endos own CAD/design team (30+ designers strong) are always involved working with the brands to create their designs. This is why you see many technologies like chemically milled variable thickeness faces with VL Titanium and multi piece embeded tungsten forged irons using asrolled and sup face materials common across many brands.. these are all Endo influences. And things that affect cost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIduffer Posted October 3, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 So is it a minimum run size or a $ figure? 500k, would that include the finish work too; the stamping, grinding and plating…? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+TourSpecGolfer Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 We really can't say for sure but I assume 1000 sets min would be a good starting point. It's not just about affording the 1000 sets but also a lot of money goes into the CAD & Molds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIduffer Posted October 3, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 We really can't say for sure but I assume 1000 sets min would be a good starting point. It's not just about affording the 1000 sets but also a lot of money goes into the CAD & Molds. I figured that, and was assuming that the CAD and Molds cost would have been included in the 500k. Not sure about the finishing cost though… Would the stamping, grinding and plating be included? Again, I understand these are theoretical numbers... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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