kaaayelll Posted October 14, 2012 Report Share Posted October 14, 2012 Hey folks...first post...so happy to find this great site and forum...not sure my wife will be thrilled. ;) Actually, she's quite cool. I've been playing Kenneth Smith Royal Signet blades since just before they went under, and have more or less always played blades. I picked up a standard spec set with Sandvik Ti shafts on eBay as Kenneth Smith was either trying to survive or dumping inventory. I enjoyed the clubs quite a bit when I first got them, but never really gave a lot of attention to whether or not the set up was appropriate for me. Then, I took about six years off of playing (save for some visits to the driving range). Last year, I played an outing and my 6-iron shaft broke on the range. I survived the few rounds I played in about a year since without the 6-iron because I was holding out hope of finding a matching shaft. Finally, I gave up and re-shafted in a KBS C Taper. Well, that was a revelation! I decided to reshaft the entire set and/or become more acquainted with the club market. So, I hit some Miuras and started down that slippery slope; now, I'm looking at everything. In the process, I've come to find that I still love blades and that I've played with wrong lie angles and shafts for a long time. I'm trying to decide whether to sink the money into reshafting and adjusting lofts/lies or go ahead and build a new set. I've really enjoyed the Miuras I've hit, but, then, I've really liked the Kenneth Smiths. However, I've come to think the Kenneth Smiths are more offset than I need/prefer. Plus, they're a .370 tip and I have some trepidation over shimming .355. So, my questions: - In the US, Miura is heralded as the best forging available. Some information on this site suggests that is a lot of marketing hype, but I couldn't find much specifics about dislikes. Anything worth sharing? Is the separate hosel an actual benefit? - I love the look of the Yururi flat back blades (especially in raw black), but I can't find any information on offsets. Are they more offset than Miura Tournament Blades? Any comparison to the feel, consistency, distance, spin rates, etc of Miura? - I favor a pretty traditional appearance with a thin top line, a soft yet solid feel, and a good value (willing to pay for legitimate differences, but not hype). Having said all that, what else would you recommend I consider? Thanks so much for your help, folks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+TourSpecGolfer Posted October 14, 2012 Report Share Posted October 14, 2012 Welcome to the forum kaayell! I suggest you look at: Epon Personals AF-Tour Pre Order the 2013 Yamaha Tour Model ( maybe sold out already so ask T ) Romaro Pro Forged MB or Ray H Forged Yururi Flat Back MB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIduffer Posted October 14, 2012 Report Share Posted October 14, 2012 I have played the Miura Baby Blade and they are a rather forgiving blade. One of the best feeling clubs I have hit and fun to hit the covers off the ball with. Can't tell you the difference between the marketing and the engineering, only the way they play. I believe the Epon AF Tours to be very forgiving, although I have not played them. The Epon Personals are also a very forgiving blade. However neither of the Epon clubs could be described as a thin top line. Currently am playing the RomaRo Pro Forged and like those the most from a feel perspective out of the lot that I have. The other set I am currently gaming along with the Pesonals and the Pro Forged are the TourStage 905. They might be the thinnest top line I have seen, but are not forgiving. You get great feedback from the club, but you know when it is a stinker. I have never played nor seen a Yururi in real life, but they are absolutely gorgeous heads, Rumor is super soft. You'll have to get other peolpes feedback on them... The one good thing about this level is they are all good, it is splitting hairs in many cases. Also if you choose poorly you can usually cut your losses in BST... Good luck and welcome Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IshikawaFAN Posted October 14, 2012 Report Share Posted October 14, 2012 (edited) 2013 yamaha tour model is already being offered? where? pictures? Thanks Edited October 14, 2012 by IshikawaFAN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wmclarenf1 Posted October 14, 2012 Report Share Posted October 14, 2012 I'd take a look at the Romaro forged stuff. Looks really good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaaayelll Posted October 15, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 15, 2012 In addition to the questions above comparing Yururi Flat Backs to Miura Tournament/Baby Blades, I'd love to know how the sole grinds compare. Thanks for the responses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdGolf Posted October 15, 2012 Report Share Posted October 15, 2012 I play Miura 1957 and Yururi Flatback Raw. As for grind, the leading edge of Yururi is much sharper and therefore IMO more suitable for hard pan fairway whereelse the Miura sole grind is more versatile. Both are excellence irons.... in terms of feel, the Yururi is much softer (could also be due to the raw finish) where the Miura is more firm and clicky at impact. In terms of topline, Yururi is thinner - almost knife like but this is not to say Miura topline is thick as it's also thin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaaayelll Posted October 15, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 15, 2012 I play Miura 1957 and Yururi Flatback Raw. As for grind, the leading edge of Yururi is much sharper and therefore IMO more suitable for hard pan fairway whereelse the Miura sole grind is more versatile. Both are excellence irons.... in terms of feel, the Yururi is much softer (could also be due to the raw finish) where the Miura is more firm and clicky at impact. In terms of topline, Yururi is thinner - almost knife like but this is not to say Miura topline is thick as it's also thin. Thanks, EdG. How do they compare in terms of offset? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdGolf Posted October 15, 2012 Report Share Posted October 15, 2012 Both min offset. I will try to take some comparison pictures tonight. Please remind me if I forget thou' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supo Posted October 15, 2012 Report Share Posted October 15, 2012 blades...................JDM baldes................ yes indeed. tourstage 905--------- thinest topline ,zero off set, best looking , not uber soft.more firmish, . not very forgiving off centre but impoved over 901s REAL player irons... very small compact. light heads. . very workable yururi flatback----------very small , very thin topline, soft as a babies bum, PW is prob nicest looking PW of all. zero off set . offcentre equals big distance loss, need lots of care or they rust very easily. MOST workable clubs ive played. did i say soft????? miuraSM... zero off set , very soft. very smal lcomapct but thick blade, miss**ts VERY good centre shots are peerless, not as big los of diatnce. very flat -straight sole.incredible for hard pan lies. chrome finish AWSOME looking. put covers on them..! yonex ezone----very very workable. very thin, topline and over all slightly longer blade , noticeable face progression light heads epon af-tours.-----the most forgiving blades .. butter soft....semi thick, semi comapct, semi big sole. so easy to play and love high launching heavier heads kyoei v-muscle---- very thin top line tiny tiny off set. almsot unnoticebale unless u pop against the miuraisms.. longer balde thick muscle, thin sole no nonsense no pack drill blades at a very good price............ theres a quick review on the ones i played recently Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaaayelll Posted October 15, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 15, 2012 supo67, thanks for the thought! Do you have a sense of how the Miuraism clubs compare to the US spec Miura (Tournament/Baby)? Is Muiraism the custom JDM line and Miura Giken standard spec? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supo Posted October 15, 2012 Report Share Posted October 15, 2012 ari selai did a review e on the compariosn here a while ago.. look that up it was simply sensational Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiromikey Posted October 15, 2012 Report Share Posted October 15, 2012 miura tb's i was not impressed with in the least. that head nearly turned me off of miura for good and caused me some anguish over on wrx for speaking about my lack of enthusiasm! although after owning the best of the best from true jdm's they had a lot to live up to...but for me they couldn't match the hype. then i tried their black limited editions and even though they were supposed to be the same head just with a different finish, there was a night and day difference. they made me think the tb's i had tried previously were fakes and i'd swear to that if they hadn't come from a highly "reputable" builder. very versatile sole, compact, thin topline, and workable. these felt as close to yururi flatbacks as i've come. the raw flatbacks are something special. the unfinished grinding is amazing to look it but does make for a sharp leading edge regardless of the fact that it is killed slightly. neither the miuras nor yururis have any noticeable offset. the size and shape of the two are also very similar but when it comes to feel, the yururis win out. if i was in a position to have to choose one over the other, the nod would go to yururi based on feel but miura based on sole leading edge (however the yururis have worn in perfectly for me). but the true decision maker would come down to lofts. the yururis are a more modern/stronger loft while the miuras are more traditional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miuramaniac Posted October 15, 2012 Report Share Posted October 15, 2012 (edited) I've got a set of Miura baby blades and Yururi flat backs (not black). Both have minimal offset, to my eye the Miura less. The Miura has a better grind as it's a little less sharp. The Yururi is softer, the Miura more dense and solid, feels better to me. Some prefer ultimate softness. I also had some Tournament blades, didn't get on with them at all. As far as the Miuraisms, one of their JDM lines that they say is their best forging, best metal, blah, blah: The SB-01 is the same size and shape as the baby blades here with a little different grind for the Asian market. The SB-02 is the shape of the SB-01 (and baby blade) but a little larger. Would LOVE to hit that one. Maybe the best of all worlds IMO; looks, shape, size. Almost pulled the trigger on a set of those but ouch, that price! The MB5003 is the size and shape of the Tourney Blade, but with the Asian market grind. This is all per Ari's post showing all the sizes and shapes of the Miura lines. You really oughtta check that one out. The spin welded hosel is a controversial subject. They say it creates a more consistent hosel. Critics argue they do it cuz it's cheaper. Maybe it could be both? More expense and time or whatever it takes doesn't always mean better. To me it's a non-issue. There's also the issue of who really makes them? For a traditional iron, which you said you were looking for, you can't beat the baby blades from Miura. They look great, flat-out perform, and the best feel I've experienced. Tried a bunch of other blades and cb's and can't get them out of the bag. Edited October 15, 2012 by Miuramaniac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaygolf Posted October 15, 2012 Report Share Posted October 15, 2012 Yonex, Yuyuri, TS 905s. Miura BBs are also very good but their top line isn't what some would call thin. Yuyuri are the softest. BB in between, and the Y and TS a bit harder. The most forgiving in my opinion are the BBs, off center hits lose very little distance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaaayelll Posted October 15, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 15, 2012 Awesome information...really appreciate the references to previous posts as well. Any shaft recommendations for either of these heads. I've tried and like C Tapers a lot. Anything similar performance-wise I should consider? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiromikey Posted October 15, 2012 Report Share Posted October 15, 2012 i play the c-tapers in two sets of irons including my yururis. i've tried the nippon super peening blues because their performance is similar to the c-tapers but are supposed to have better feel. they probably do have a very slightly better feel but only not the most perfectly centered strikes. everything else the c-taper wins. the tt monacos are one of the best all around performers but i still prefer the trajectory and reduced spin of the c-tapers. aerotech steelfibers are also quite impressive and i can't find a single thing wrong with them but again, i prefer the spin and trajectory of the c-tapers. with all that said, if you already like the c-tapers, i don't see any reason to stray! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaaayelll Posted October 15, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 15, 2012 Certainly sounds wise...just seemed from some comments I've read that some shafts can react differently depending on the heads...maybe that's not so true, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaygolf Posted October 15, 2012 Report Share Posted October 15, 2012 Shafts are too specific mate. Only you can decide what's good for your game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiromikey Posted October 15, 2012 Report Share Posted October 15, 2012 Certainly sounds wise...just seemed from some comments I've read that some shafts can react differently depending on the heads...maybe that's not so true, though. that's definitely the case but speaking from experience, the yururis and c-tapers are my gamers and have sent some serious high end clubs into my storage closet! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miuramaniac Posted October 15, 2012 Report Share Posted October 15, 2012 I think you should stick with what works for you and what you like. If you've played c-tapers and like the feel and traj of them, stick with them. Takes out a variable when getting/trying new clubs. If your new clubs or demo's are going too high, you know it's not the shaft and maybe adjust your lofts or get something else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hocko Posted October 15, 2012 Report Share Posted October 15, 2012 I would definitely go with RomaRo. Best club out there IMO. Mine are shafted with true temper tour concept satin shafts. Awesome launch and the ball just stays in the air. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gian11 Posted October 15, 2012 Report Share Posted October 15, 2012 hocko, which Romaro model are you recommending Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiromikey Posted October 15, 2012 Report Share Posted October 15, 2012 (edited) it's hard to shop for romaro here...all the pics/listings are mismatched in the pro shop!! hopefully the guys can get things sorted out. ;) Edited October 15, 2012 by chiromikey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gocchin Posted October 15, 2012 Report Share Posted October 15, 2012 it's hard to shop for romaro here...all the pics/listings are mismatched in the pro shop!! hopefully the guys can get things sorted out. ;) Just looked at every club listing... all the images match and are the correct images. What are you looking at? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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