supo Posted October 22, 2012 Report Share Posted October 22, 2012 ive just learned in no uncertain terms.., that my crotaion policy of playing all my delicious clubs ISNT that good anb idea unless you blance ur clubs perfectly...! yesterday i came acropper BIG time... irons.., epon personals-- ---monacco X flex = heavy . very strurdy .very smooth clubs. delicious to play driver yonex nextage---- 201.6 gram head , 9* + 69 gram stinger s shjaft 45 inch @ 329.5 gram build heavy smooth , HIGH launch suited these irons perfectly.... pefection. open bag policy yesterday..., also had the jbeam 435 9* graphite design bb7s with LIGHT weights in the ports so build was close to 315 gram.. reason was , trying to determine of the change of weight made a huge differnce to flight and distance... so was rotating the drivers on differnt holes... wedges yamaha with NS 1150 X - light very steady nice and stiff. waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay to light to be played in conjunction with the personals i swung over the top of 4 , 52* wedge shots topped them all sent the mscuttiling thru the green like a worm killer from being dead centre of fairway 105 yards out.. im surprised people O/S cudnt hear my screams of frustration. ..., esp as i was hitting the yonex driver absolutely perfectly .....,long and straight FINALLY..! what i did discover was that going from the heavy driver.. heavy irons to light wdges and light driver equalled disturbing swing modifications that lead to snap pulls on the jbeam.. and topped wedges. so.. if ur going to play heavy irons DO NOT go to light wedges ,, and alsoe dont mix drivers with light nad heavy esp in a match,,,,, it doesnt work. all u do is slice the ehavy one and pull the pants off the light one. the yamaha wedges are getting a set of x100s in them . and the light stiff flex ks 120 wedge shafts are also getting pulled.. i cant get a rythem with them. as an side.. the jbeam is well.. new post to come... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoon Posted October 22, 2012 Report Share Posted October 22, 2012 thats a given sir! with heavy wedges are my norm regardless of what i play in irons or driver. i dont know anyone who plays light wedges. this usually happens on a misbuild Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supo Posted October 22, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 22, 2012 well i did, and i was thinkng bec i can hit down harder on he ball get it up higher and spin more. but all tha thappeened was i miss swung a lot and it ruined my WA ..... , very silly mistake. geting rectified as we speak. but if u use say 950s then u shud play x100s in wedges? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoon Posted October 22, 2012 Report Share Posted October 22, 2012 well i did, and i was thinkng bec i can hit down harder on he ball get it up higher and spin more. but all tha thappeened was i miss swung a lot and it ruined my WA ..... , very silly mistake. geting rectified as we speak. but if u use say 950s then u shud play x100s in wedges? wedges are a tricky thing. there is no formula. some guys like kuchar and sneeds game aerotech i95s in irons yet x100 in wedges, luke donald uses s300 accross the board really depends and its a personal thing. but the usual case is couple of swing weights more than the irons. say d1 in irons and wedges around d4/d5 or say s300 in irons and heavy s400 in wedges. i dont think x100 in wedges is a good idea if you game 950s. usually what the pros will do is use a 7/8 iron shaft and install in their wedges for that softer feel for delicate wedge shots and maneuvers. they will however bump up the swing weight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supo Posted October 22, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 22, 2012 woooooooooooooooooooooooow. i can put 7 irons shafts in my wedges????? tip cut ?}? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiromikey Posted October 22, 2012 Report Share Posted October 22, 2012 (edited) i use 8iron shafts in my wedges butt cut to length and tip weighted to d8 (my irons are d5). it keeps the feel consistent throughout the set and gives me added control (spin) when needed. some people will go up a flex when they do this for the added weight and control but i think my set-up is peeerrrrfffeecct!! Edited October 22, 2012 by chiromikey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supo Posted October 22, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 22, 2012 (edited) ive gota cpl of modus 3 tx 7 ironsshafts . can i tip them and use those ? Edited October 22, 2012 by supo67 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiromikey Posted October 22, 2012 Report Share Posted October 22, 2012 from my experience you don't want to tip trim them. the object of butt cutting a 7 or 8 iron is to create a "spinner" type shaft but with characteristics consistent with the rest of your set...so by tip trimming you're giving up spin and feel which to me are most important in my scoring irons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoon Posted October 22, 2012 Report Share Posted October 22, 2012 woooooooooooooooooooooooow. i can put 7 irons shafts in my wedges????? tip cut ?}? yes you can use them NO dont butt trim them. i use 8iron shafts in my wedges butt cut to length and tip weighted to d8 (my irons are d5). it keeps the feel consistent throughout the set and gives me added control (spin) when needed. some people will go up a flex when they do this for the added weight and control but i think my set-up is peeerrrrfffeecct!! yes! pros have been doing them for years. ive gota cpl of modus 3 tx 7 ironsshafts . can i tip them and use those ? no dont tip! you want your shafts nice and firm but not TOO stiff for those delicate shots and maneuvers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supo Posted October 22, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 22, 2012 im as delicate as drunkard in a brothel. but i geg ur meaning.bec in my 60 and 61 * wedges i use NS 950s with a thin grip and its been going sensationally. much much better thna my other 2 wedges.. the lob has been awsome. bec i only hit tiny shots with it . ok then... so if im using monacco X shafts what sud i be using in my 52 + 56 wdges.. is x-100 ok bec thats what i was going to instal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoon Posted October 22, 2012 Report Share Posted October 22, 2012 im as delicate as drunkard in a brothel. but i geg ur meaning.bec in my 60 and 61 * wedges i use NS 950s with a thin grip and its been going sensationally. much much better thna my other 2 wedges.. the lob has been awsome. bec i only hit tiny shots with it . ok then... so if im using monacco X shafts what sud i be using in my 52 + 56 wdges.. is x-100 ok bec thats what i was going to instal. based on what we were discussing you can install anything you like. but it would be preferrable if your x100s were 7/8 iron shafts. but if you have a monaco tx/x in 7/8 that would be better imho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supo Posted October 22, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 22, 2012 gotcha.. ok im onto it.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaygolf Posted October 22, 2012 Report Share Posted October 22, 2012 from my experience you don't want to tip trim them. the object of butt cutting a 7 or 8 iron is to create a "spinner" type shaft but with characteristics consistent with the rest of your set...so by tip trimming you're giving up spin and feel which to me are most important in my scoring irons. That's a couple of very interesting comments mate. Thanks for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaygolf Posted October 22, 2012 Report Share Posted October 22, 2012 Very informative discussion. I don't build my clubs so I'm pretty clueless when it comes down to the nitty gritty. We all like different specs. Supo likes a lighter shaft with thinner grips on his wedges. I like a heavier shaft with thicker grips. I feel like it takes my wrists out of play a little more. So it all depends I guess. But back to the butt trimming. By that do you mean if let's say you have x100s on your irons, you cut an x100 7 iron for the wedges? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian-500 Posted October 22, 2012 Report Share Posted October 22, 2012 I'm asking the same question as Jay but with Modus 3's. I have Modus 3 120 X flex in my irons, so should I butt trim 3 x Modus 3 120 X flex iron shafts for my new wedge builds? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiromikey Posted October 22, 2012 Report Share Posted October 22, 2012 yes, you would simply cut down to the desired length from the butt end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamkenstein Posted October 22, 2012 Report Share Posted October 22, 2012 I believe the theory behind butt trimming an 8 iron shaft to fit a wedge is that that it takes the shaft half a flex down, consequently more spin and feel. This is Tom Wishons take on it anyway. Apparently there are some players who prefer to go the other way for example playing a 5.5 in their irons and 7.0 in their wedges, I'm guessing because roll is easier to control than check is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supo Posted October 23, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 23, 2012 over the last few months ive used all my hoard of wedges and the wedge shafts i think are good but a bit light for me are the NS WV 120.. these things are good for spin. ..yes.., i get good spin with them. and the ks 120 wedges shafts area lower launch. and get good spin.. but im thinking these are still too light. afterplaying some super heavy 135 gram shafts and liking them its very hard to go back to normal weighted shafts but i nthe lob wedge... i wont mess with that bec its going so damn well. im ordering some monacco 8 irons shafts................, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIduffer Posted October 23, 2012 Report Share Posted October 23, 2012 I just use the same shaft that is in the PW. Find it easy enough to control the spin and keeps some semblance of consistency throughout all the irons... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoon Posted October 24, 2012 Report Share Posted October 24, 2012 I just use the same shaft that is in the PW. Find it easy enough to control the spin and keeps some semblance of consistency throughout all the irons... Im actually the same way. PW and wedge shafts are the same anyways. i only use a softer shaft say like the spinner on my lob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supo Posted October 24, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2012 ok i spent the whole lunch time in the clubmakers today going thru wedges..........., hes got every spec on every club ive ever had built... so.. i got thorough numbers... the yamaha heads are heavy.. the NS 1150x are 117 gram the whole build was 467.5 gram. that. shud be perfect... but its not the mizuno t10 with NS sp blue stiff are 455 gram. ligh compact head.. d2 SW. the tourstage marus are light heads with 135 NS proto 2s14s shafts in them at 472.5 gram these ones i think i hit best... i bought a heap of the monacco shaft 8 irons to put in my wedges as a general shaft. ive got a cpl of monaccos in stiff that play lovely in my tourtsage marus... really really well but im going togo heavier wit hte 130 ish gram shafts... then ill be able to see perfeclty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIduffer Posted October 24, 2012 Report Share Posted October 24, 2012 Hate to say it Stew, as I like your commentary as much as anyone. But you might be suffering from information overload... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supo Posted October 24, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2012 yea iknow...... theres places and medicines for conditions i "suffer" from .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIduffer Posted October 24, 2012 Report Share Posted October 24, 2012 I am saying you just might want to quell the experiments and really get to know some kit before continuing... Then change one variable at a time... When you change 6 things at once, what do you attribute the differences to? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiromikey Posted October 24, 2012 Report Share Posted October 24, 2012 but sometimes you just need a new starting point altogether... ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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