RIduffer Posted January 9, 2013 Report Share Posted January 9, 2013 What do these three shafts have in common? All are Stiff flex... I know the SP Blue is low launching and in the 130g range, Aerotechs are a higher launch, at least my experience with them in a lighter weight, and I have yet to hit the Thumps, although I will be when my Yam Tours come in, but I know are only 95 grams... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiromikey Posted January 9, 2013 Report Share Posted January 9, 2013 i haven't tried the thumps but i can't think of a single thing the spb's and steelfiber i125's have in common... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincent Posted January 9, 2013 Report Share Posted January 9, 2013 Just a few threads down stew started a thread about yamaha tour with thump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIduffer Posted January 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2013 Just a few threads down stew started a thread about yamaha tour with thump. And I have been reading it avidly. This is a general question about the similarities of the shafts not about explicit performance in a particular head. Also not much has been said about the SPBs in that thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supo Posted January 10, 2013 Report Share Posted January 10, 2013 well hope fully tonight ill be able to tell you! i have the yamaha tour2013 4iron with a sp blue. ive gothe rest with the thumps nad hte 7i tourstage 701 is getting the aeortechs today for range test tonight i do know immedialty that the thumps are 10 billiontrillion times nicer to hit than the SP blue. but, for performance the sp blue i nthe 4i is brillinat. just feels bad in comparison Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiromikey Posted January 10, 2013 Report Share Posted January 10, 2013 i'm sure you already know their characteristics so i'll leave those alone and just give you my opinion. keep in mind that my thoughts on the any shaft are probably quite different than most, if not everyone, around here...example; i love the c-tapers so which makes me the black sheep of the tsg family. for me the spb's are awesome feeling, but only when struck dead center and because of their weight distribution, i found that hard to do (i prefer a constant weight shaft). they seem to favor a swing with lots of lag and a very late release. when i forced myself to do that there wasn't a better feeling. the feel reminded me of a cross between a heavier c-taper and an s300 (c-tapers deliver pure feedback without hiding or enhancing anything while s300's have what i feel to be almost like a slow motion frequency dampening oscillation on center shots). the steelfibers are more of a constant weight distribution and seem to be able to handle any swing. they're smooth and play like a good steel shaft minus the vibration on misses. play them at 1/2" over and they feel smooth perfect for their flex. play them at standard 38" 5 iron length or shorter without soft stepping and you better swing hard if you want them to work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIduffer Posted January 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2013 The only one I am truly familiar are the SPBs as I played them for a few years in Miura heads. The Aerotech I only hit the 95i in an X flex during a long winded fitting with comparing a multitude of shafts. The reason for my query is I was at my fitters earlier today and he was showing me a fitting from someone else at a different location and we could not figure out how the same person hitting the same head would come away with the best trackman numbers on these three seemingly dissimilar shafts in a spectrum of 10 or so various shafts. I can understand feel a little bit, as Stew and you describe as well as my own experience with them, but can't figure the mix out. Especially when "trackman" is ranking the numbers… The Aerotechs, unless too stiff would launch very differently than the SPBs, so should be very different numbers between those. Then there is the weight/profile differences between the Thumps and the otter 2, I just can't comprehend it… Trying to make sense of it... And Vincent, I apologize if my earlier post was a bit curt. I generally try to do my homework before posting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supo Posted January 10, 2013 Report Share Posted January 10, 2013 u know what.................. ive got access to track,man on my local range. ive used it a cpl of times all it does is confuse the f..... outta me. the numbers and what i like to seee dont match ever.. ive givien up on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdGolf Posted January 10, 2013 Report Share Posted January 10, 2013 I've not tried the Aerotechs in 125i yet but between i110 and i95 the flight of i110 is already slightly lower launching so would presume the 125 will bring the flight down further and more penetrating. Would be interesting to see the comparison from Stew after his range time tonight.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supo Posted January 10, 2013 Report Share Posted January 10, 2013 yea bec the 701s are not the lowest laucnhers in my fleet but they are a super players iron. the x-100s i nthem were [perfect fpr play but feel CRAPOLAAA. tourtsage headsarnt the softest tissue in the box as it is. so a shaft that can play like x-100 with feel will make these prety darn impressive im backing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiromikey Posted January 10, 2013 Report Share Posted January 10, 2013 The only one I am truly familiar are the SPBs as I played them for a few years in Miura heads. The Aerotech I only hit the 95i in an X flex during a long winded fitting with comparing a multitude of shafts. The reason for my query is I was at my fitters earlier today and he was showing me a fitting from someone else at a different location and we could not figure out how the same person hitting the same head would come away with the best trackman numbers on these three seemingly dissimilar shafts in a spectrum of 10 or so various shafts. I can understand feel a little bit, as Stew and you describe as well as my own experience with them, but can't figure the mix out. Especially when "trackman" is ranking the numbers… The Aerotechs, unless too stiff would launch very differently than the SPBs, so should be very different numbers between those. Then there is the weight/profile differences between the Thumps and the otter 2, I just can't comprehend it… Trying to make sense of it... And Vincent, I apologize if my earlier post was a bit curt. I generally try to do my homework before posting. i would wager the confusing results have something to do with the weighting/balance of the shafts. a constant weight shaft will change a players swing compared to a shaft with a weight bias...even if the gram weight is the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIduffer Posted January 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2013 I am told the 125i is designed as a wedge shaft not necessarily a true iron shaft... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supo Posted January 10, 2013 Report Share Posted January 10, 2013 good lord so i got a whole set of wdge shafts???? heaven forbid my 5 iron might feel like excalibur! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdGolf Posted January 10, 2013 Report Share Posted January 10, 2013 Don't think so Stew.... pretty sure those are made for irons...... ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegaman Posted January 10, 2013 Report Share Posted January 10, 2013 i'm sure you already know their characteristics so i'll leave those alone and just give you my opinion. keep in mind that my thoughts on the any shaft are probably quite different than most, if not everyone, around here...example; i love the c-tapers so which makes me the black sheep of the tsg family. for me the spb's are awesome feeling, but only when struck dead center and because of their weight distribution, i found that hard to do (i prefer a constant weight shaft). they seem to favor a swing with lots of lag and a very late release. when i forced myself to do that there wasn't a better feeling. the feel reminded me of a cross between a heavier c-taper and an s300 (c-tapers deliver pure feedback without hiding or enhancing anything while s300's have what i feel to be almost like a slow motion frequency dampening oscillation on center shots). the steelfibers are more of a constant weight distribution and seem to be able to handle any swing. they're smooth and play like a good steel shaft minus the vibration on misses. play them at 1/2" over and they feel smooth perfect for their flex. play them at standard 38" 5 iron length or shorter without soft stepping and you better swing hard if you want them to work. Why not get a softer flex rather than softstepping? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiromikey Posted January 10, 2013 Report Share Posted January 10, 2013 I am told the 125i is designed as a wedge shaft not necessarily a true iron shaft... absolutely not true! bad info from that source. ;) Why not get a softer flex rather than softstepping? i already had the stiffs built to graphite standard lengths (1/2" over steel standard). it wasn't until i cut them down to steel standard that i noticed more increase in stiffness than i expected. however, with that said, i still think reg flex would be too soft for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supo Posted January 10, 2013 Report Share Posted January 10, 2013 i like stepping Sp blues for instance. i wont use the stated flex in this range il llawyas go the hard stepped S of soft step the X depending on club head. dont do this with ohters but in SP blue it works well, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdGolf Posted January 10, 2013 Report Share Posted January 10, 2013 Actually the Aerotech regular flexs i95 and i110 most builders advice against hard stepping em but for stiff flex it's fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OC65P Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 The Aerotechs will play very true to flex. I have hit the i95 and I own a i125 demo 6 iron. The i95's surprised me how stiff they really were but they were still too light for my wants. I was able to score a demo 6i shaft from a dealer, I have it in a spare head playing at 38 inches. I love the feel, the balance, the ball flight, and the dampening. My 6i s/s is 89-91mph and I am totally fine at s flex, I had a Pro who was closer to 99mph take some swings, he loved the feel too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baddmnkey Posted January 16, 2013 Report Share Posted January 16, 2013 (edited) There are 2 notable players on the PGA tour that use Aerotech i95 shafts. Matt Kuchar (i95s) and Brendt Snedeker (i95s now plays i95x i believe). Anyone recall who won the FedEx Cup last year? Money making machines! If its good enough for them....well you know the rest. :) Edited January 16, 2013 by Baddmnkey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoreBeerBetterGolf Posted January 16, 2013 Report Share Posted January 16, 2013 There are 2 notable players on the PGA tour that use Aerotech i95 shafts. Matt Kuchar (i95s) and Brendt Snedeker (i95s now plays i95x i believe). Anyone recall who won the FedEx Cup last year? Money making machines! If its good enough for them....well you know the rest. :) They've been reading the threads on TSG...pretty soon they'll have recoils or thumps or roddio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIduffer Posted January 16, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 16, 2013 They've been reading the threads on TSG...pretty soon they'll have recoils or thumps or roddio Could be Tour Attas, Fuji, or Crazy CBI Evo IIs too… Options abound señor... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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