If the 80T carbon is superior to boron, why do Waccine or Basileus Z still adopt boron in their high end shaft?

I've learned that the boron has some shortcomings. Have them been resolved already?

There are two typical boron shafts:

1. High torque: 4.5~6.0 like Waccine and Godis.

2. Low torque: Under 3.0 like PNOEZ

I asked people who had tried both. The results were positive. The low torque PX-1 5001 does not feel stiff at all. Waccine GR-55 is unlike some high torque model. The side-spin is well under controlled. Both have very amazing performance.

It's great to learn some good stuffs out there, but for an end user, this could mean more confusion aroused.

Well! As always, ~ Coin-throwing time! No! Better hear you guys opinion first.

I like boron shafts have both stinger and the crazy boron.

They are very stable and shaft kinda adapts to ehatever you throw

At it.. They can hang with all the 80t shafts.. I am not technical in my

Explanations i leave that to stew. H has extensive experience with

With boron..

Hes part boron to be honest.

I like boron shafts have both stinger and the crazy boron.

They are very stable and shaft kinda adapts to ehatever you throw

At it.. They can hang with all the 80t shafts.. I am not technical in my

Explanations i leave that to stew. H has extensive experience with

With boron..

Hes part boron to be honest.

Come on, you've read Stew's posts. He most definitely bore off....

well i like being boring.

i think they are very good.

I guess the "shortcomings" are mainly the high price of Boron, the difficulty of handling it, (it's a much more complicated material to work with apparently) and the fact it's not readily available in large quantities. It's rare, expensive, difficult to make, and difficult to work with from what I've gathered. Otherwise, the properties of Boron seem to be perfect for shaft making.

I guess the "shortcomings" are mainly the high price of Boron, the difficulty of handling it, (it's a much more complicated material to work with apparently) and the fact it's not readily available in large quantities. It's rare, expensive, difficult to make, and difficult to work with from what I've gathered. Otherwise, the properties of Boron seem to be perfect for shaft making.

Yep! It is pricy (most of them). There're few cheaper version boron shafts and get the job done well. Just have not seen too much people talk about it at the forum. There is even a nano boron shaft at a moderate price. Don't know how does it compare to nano carbon. Hope we can see more of these at TSG's store.

Yep! It is pricy (most of them). There're few cheaper version boron shafts and get the job done well. Just have not seen too much people talk about it at the forum. There is even a nano boron shaft at a moderate price. Don't know how does it compare to nano carbon. Hope we can see more of these at TSG's store.

If the shaft is full Boron it's going to cost a lot. If they throw in some fancy words like Nano and bring the price down I would call that a red flag. We also need to be aware how much of the high end carbon is being used. Many shafts may put some 50T in the tip and call it a 50T shaft that sells for half of what a the full length 50T shaft would sell for. Lots of word games going on.

Yes, there are lots of marketing tricks out there. Thanks all staffs of TSG and guys in this forum for helping to straighten things out.

ok................ no techicalaities here, just results

i was at the range last night in perfect conditions.

i had my s-yard-stinger

jbeam 435-diamana X 70s

jbeam 425 with roddio shingo m6 x

these will be 3 of my top 5 clubs this season

the boron stinge from diamana in stiff........... i normally play this in X..

in the syard is absolutely mint.

it looses nothing........... to the othe rshafts here. its just higher.

when i tee the ball slightyl lower i got a ton of run.

its the most accurate as well..

is boron dead????

if anyone says it is. they are a liar or dont have one, and havbt hit one

end of chat!!!!!

Edited April 4, 201312 yr by supo67

Anyone hear of Hiskei shafts? Know anything about them?

Anyone hear of Hiskei shafts? Know anything about them?

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ok................ no techicalaities here, just results

i was at the range last night in perfect conditions.

i had my s-yard-stinger

jbeam 435-diamana X 70s

jbeam 425 with roddio shingo m6 x

these will be 3 of my top 5 clubs this season

the boron stinge from diamana in stiff........... i normally play this in X..

in the syard is absolutely mint.

it looses nothing........... to the othe rshafts here. its just higher.

when i tee the ball slightyl lower i got a ton of run.

its the most accurate as well..

is boron dead????

if anyone says it is. they are a liar or dont have one, and havbt hit one

end of chat!!!!!

I read this " FULL BORON VS 80T" posted long time ago at the forum. You guys can have a look. I'm just wondering anything have changed after these years.

I have a full 80T (well almost diamana X) going in one head and stinger boron in another and will give them a fair run down soon. May even swap them.

matt try them both in the s-yard.

ull seee teeth in yr smile u didnrt know u had.

put the dia X in it first....

I have a full 80T (well almost diamana X) going in one head and stinger boron in another and will give them a fair run down soon. May even swap them.

I'm looking forward to see the result. Thanks, Pal!

god no...

how many years on is rhis and..

ImStill playing the diamana stinger in the same heads from yamaha syard callway tour, tourstage, kamui pro.

i rhink i have 11 drivers now with the stinger.

i love the way it performs .

it looses nothing to anything newer ive tried.

Looks better.

feels unreal.

doesnt warp bemd or stray.

i honestly dont know if i can play another shaft .

2009>2025

nope , this one still wins for me.

im going to add ot this again.

yamaha endo forged best material there was v203 with

stinger 70s.

diamana x 70s

crazy black 80 7.4

seven dreamers 65xs

same length specs almost the same 9-10* lofts.

taylor made sim 2(?) electric blue bits to it. fujikura ventus(?) 65x my budies club.

all ill say is there is NO ADVANCEMENT what so ever i Cud find. that wud make we swap out any of mine for his.

i will say i really liked the way that thing looked at address ..... then i hit it. again.

went where it was sposed to go

with absolutely ZERO .class to it.

was like getting on a public bus. get u there no probs. but i preer to take my car.

Boron vs all this .. was the dullest feel . and lowest launch.

was also the longest single shot by 10y.

when i have this in play i am 100% confident the balls going out that way straight with minimal disruption or lateral deviation.

more so than the rest here.

its , in my opinion , more relevant now than then bec its still outshines the otherd.

when the head shaft designer of MITSUB CHEM tells me to stock up on ad mnany as i can find.. theres prob a reason for it.

so i did. and thats a good thing.

will pass them on to the son when he decides golfs fun.

yup boron IS very much still relevant.