MoreBeerBetterGolf Posted March 20, 2013 Report Share Posted March 20, 2013 Got used to playing more of a blade design and then have been playing the Onoff Forged 2013 a lot lately. Can't help but notice that with all that toe weight and a somewhat larger head how much more I have to consciously release the club to get the face back to square. I believe this is why most GI irons have more offset to help with squaring the club face with the toe heavy designs. Since the Onoff doesn't have much offset at all, it exacerbates the issue. It isn't something that really bothers me but it is something I have to remember when playing them so far because otherwise I'm hitting fades whereas I hit soft well struck draws with the same swing on most blade type irons. I also wonder if this is why some people legitimately play better with blades than cavity backs? I can definitely see weaker players who struggle with a fade having some trouble with squaring these irons at first. Just food for thought and wondering if anyone has ever noticed the same thing. I am playing stout, tip stiff shafts in these which contributes I'm sure. Loving this setup...this all just kind of dawned on me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegaman Posted March 20, 2013 Report Share Posted March 20, 2013 Interesting thoughts. The more mass, or size rather, of a larger SGI clubhead should in fact be harder to squre up compared to a more compact head, like a blade. The same phenomena can be seen with driver heads, many people feel small headed drivers are easier to release, and thus hit straight, through the hitting zone, less twist off the shaft, less drag Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shambles Posted March 20, 2013 Report Share Posted March 20, 2013 I essentially agree, albeit disagree a little on some details. A club requiring little or no effort for the player to square up at contact is actually a club whose playing characteristics suit the player very well. Next time you're in a golf store and checking out the offerings, you might notice that some clubs have more toe swing than others. With your own clubs, try making them more upright or flat and you might also feel a change in their squaring or toe swing tendency. If you have a very light grip and a gentle swing, it's easier to feel such changes. The hand feels very little when it's engaged in a death grip. It's little things like this that can make sensitive players prefer one club over another even if they appear the same. You have a better chance at hitting your targets if there are no distractions. Changes of this sort are very small but can cost you a stroke or two if you momentarily lose attention. In short, they are not insurmountable, just a small distraction that can cost you a stroke and the round. Shambles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ukok Posted March 20, 2013 Report Share Posted March 20, 2013 Interesting, I have recently gone through a complete fitting session that included still photos of the club head when the contact takes place, The lighter the head the more open the face was. One strip of lead tape made a huge amount of difference in squaring the face. This process continued until the optimum weight v swing speed was achieved. My advice, use only 1 set of clubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomcat Posted March 20, 2013 Report Share Posted March 20, 2013 Interesting, I have recently gone through a complete fitting session that included still photos of the club head when the contact takes place, The lighter the head the more open the face was. One strip of lead tape made a huge amount of difference in squaring the face. This process continued until the optimum weight v swing speed was achieved. My advice, use only 1 set of clubs. I had the exact same results with my fitting last week. Adding head weight helps having a later release and a better squared face. Got my PRGR changed from D2 to D4. Results are much more solid shot and 10y distance gain on my 6i. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaygolf Posted March 20, 2013 Report Share Posted March 20, 2013 I second UKOK. Play with one set or sets that are very similar to each other. Going from an MB to a CB, some players can without too many consequences, I can't. Rhythm is different, weight is different, offset...nope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoon Posted March 20, 2013 Report Share Posted March 20, 2013 My advice, use only 1 set of clubs. Thanks im finally goingnto do this.. Im done experimenting:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian-500 Posted March 20, 2013 Report Share Posted March 20, 2013 Thanks im finally goingnto do this.. Im done experimenting:) Are we taking bets on this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegaman Posted March 20, 2013 Report Share Posted March 20, 2013 Thanks im finally goingnto do this.. Im done experimenting:) Now, let's not exaggerate here, ha ha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoon Posted March 20, 2013 Report Share Posted March 20, 2013 Are we taking bets on this? No need as i aint changing :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIduffer Posted March 20, 2013 Report Share Posted March 20, 2013 No need as i aint changing :) As the man said, are we taking bets on this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xerobound Posted March 20, 2013 Report Share Posted March 20, 2013 Interesting, I have recently gone through a complete fitting session that included still photos of the club head when the contact takes place, The lighter the head the more open the face was. One strip of lead tape made a huge amount of difference in squaring the face. This process continued until the optimum weight v swing speed was achieved. My advice, use only 1 set of clubs. It always amazes me how small tweaks make a big difference in performance. As for clubs, I think its good to have 1 set of clubs once you dial in on the type of club that works for you. It helps you adapt to the clubs as overtime, your swing does naturally adapt to the club. But with that said...Golf's a continuous work in progress and it doesn't hurt to continue the search for a that something a little more..;) Part of the fun. It's a good thought to use 1 set of clubs (or 1 type of club) once you dial in on what's working for you. Then from there you can go for minor adjustments, to find that optimal combination for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoreBeerBetterGolf Posted March 20, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 20, 2013 Haha if it were only that easy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ant Posted March 20, 2013 Report Share Posted March 20, 2013 interesting observation, makes sense too. i suppose you should be happy, less chance hooking it off the planet with long irons ;) which blades you comparing to ? thing is, most modern blades have more weight moved towards the toe as well, shorter hosels etc compared to very old blades you almost have to shank to get to the sweetspot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoreBeerBetterGolf Posted March 20, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 20, 2013 Personals ant. Cutaway toe never played an iron that seems to square so easily as it. I get more good natural flush contact with that combo than anything I've ever played. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxio Posted March 21, 2013 Report Share Posted March 21, 2013 I've always experienced that bigger face area whether irons or drivers were more forgiving in the distance loss departments. Mis**t a smaller headed blade or driver would be straighter but also distance loss would be more significant. I guess it'll come down to when you mis**t your 6iron would you rather be 15 yards to the right and 5yards short or 15 yards short and 5 yards to the right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ant Posted March 21, 2013 Report Share Posted March 21, 2013 havent seen them in person (no pun) but from the pictures they looked like longish blades with alot of offset (for a blade) so maybe what you have described is the reason for that offset there. unless you are talking hogan personals that is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoreBeerBetterGolf Posted March 21, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2013 They're short from heel to toe with some offset Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIduffer Posted March 21, 2013 Report Share Posted March 21, 2013 You tested with anything else in your arsenal? Could also come down to a slight flex difference that you are compensating for with a swing correction... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoreBeerBetterGolf Posted March 21, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2013 I'd have to swap a shaft into the onoff or vice versa. Onoff is the most GI head I've had my hands on in a while with the tungsten and perimeter weighting coupled with minimal offset its a rare beast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supo Posted March 21, 2013 Report Share Posted March 21, 2013 (edited) As the man said, are we taking bets on this? im on that as well... spoony thats ALMOST as rediuclous as me saying that. hahahha Edited March 21, 2013 by supo67 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoreBeerBetterGolf Posted March 21, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2013 (edited) Maybe I'm nuts but I want to play blade irons on the frequent windy days we have but onoffs whenever weather allows. I can flight the ball pretty well with the onoff combo but I'm never short on justifications for buying more clubs. And yes the notion of Spoom not swapping irons before May let alone all year is ludicrous Edited March 21, 2013 by MoreBeerBetterGolf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idrive Posted March 21, 2013 Report Share Posted March 21, 2013 Thanks im finally goingnto do this.. Im done experimenting:) Bbbwwaaaaaaaaa haaaaaaaa haaaaaaa okay I'M done..... Bbbwwwaaaaaaaaa hhaaaaaaaa hhaaaaaaa seriously now, I'm done.... Bbwwaaaaaaaaaa hhaaaaaaaaaa hhaaaaaaaa.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxio Posted March 21, 2013 Report Share Posted March 21, 2013 Thanks im finally goingnto do this.. Im done experimenting:) I think everyone is misreading Carlo's post. It is supposed to read "Thanks im finally goingNOT do this. Im done experimenting:)....from now i'll order everything stock or custom direct. I won't be having any clubwork done locally" Sounds about right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaygolf Posted March 21, 2013 Report Share Posted March 21, 2013 (edited) I sense a few here fancy a flutter so I'll take some bets. PP gifted in dollars. Odds, Carlo not changing irons before June 1st: 20 to 1. Not changing irons before October 1st: 500 to 1. And no, Carlo can't bet on himself. Edited March 21, 2013 by jaygolf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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