JBW Posted May 28, 2013 Report Share Posted May 28, 2013 Do the Epon 210KGX series wedges have copper in them? The sole on my 60 degree is wearing and there's copper color starting to show. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ant Posted May 30, 2013 Report Share Posted May 30, 2013 from what i heard its pretty common and usually referred to as copper underlay. they do it as one way to soften the feel because with modern harder ball pure classic forged blade impact would feel less soft and more solid/harsh than say compared to old balata balls. wont be surprised if epon utilized copper underlay in their irons as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBBG Posted May 30, 2013 Report Share Posted May 30, 2013 The new RomaRo SX wedge has copper underlay because the first version was kind of clicky. So its definitely possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coops1967 Posted May 30, 2013 Report Share Posted May 30, 2013 Wasn't aware there's a copper layer under the Epon wedges - but you never know... I thought a copper underlay was common say 20 years ago - due to the usual nickel plating not adhering too well with the materials/methods in those days (so a layer of copper first before the nickel chrome layers). I think it's less common now as plating has improved to a stage where it's not needed - not needed for 'mechanical' keeping the plating from bubbling etc reasons. Some of the older Mizuno's were famous for their feel and it's been thought the old copper layer underneath had something to do with it.... My 301's were originally in the black finish, and did feel firmer than when they were subsequently refinished in the copper-chrome (not that the copper chrome means they have an actual copper plate layer on them) - reckon sound has a large part to do with feel and maybe the plating makes a difference... I'd have thought Epon would mention a copper underlay in their marketing as a plus point, but maybe it's a secret ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ant Posted May 30, 2013 Report Share Posted May 30, 2013 i think they do it mostly for feel these days. with balata and even last gen balata (which was slightly harder) before they stopped making them it really doesnt make much difference if your club is forged by endo or enchanted by gandalf or has a copper underlay or you are hitting a stainless steel blade (think macgregors made in 40s-50s) the thing just pretty much melts on the face regardless. and its not like i'm saying the grass was greener back then as i have a small stock of various gens balata balls and regularly play them (as well as persimmon woods, in fact i play my persimmons more often than modern gear these days). also putting is delight. i truly think the best thing they can do for this game is to bring that old ball back and standardize it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+TourSpecGolfer Posted May 31, 2013 Report Share Posted May 31, 2013 I've heard a few things like it's used to hide pitted steel, helps the finish adhere to the head as well as softens feel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coops1967 Posted May 31, 2013 Report Share Posted May 31, 2013 I remember the old wound balls. Even the Surlyn covered wound Titleist had a great feel with an iron shot - a lovely kind of progressive compression to it. Only occasionally used a balata (too expensive for me back then... especially with a wild swing)... even more fabulous feel and the sound when you hit an iron (or a wood made of wood), ooooh But i absolutely hated putting with them - felt like slapping a dead fish ;-) too soft for my liking when putting ( detest the Odyssey inserts etc). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBW Posted June 1, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 1, 2013 I leaving for vacation tomorrow, but I'll post some picks of the "copper" bleeding through the week after next. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ant Posted June 1, 2013 Report Share Posted June 1, 2013 feel is a funny thing. i actually hate inserts too and generally prefer stainless steel putters. inserts or modern soft balls just deaden the feel for me while balata feels to me more like a micro version of an iron shot compression going on. i'm not after soft per se but rather after that compression feeling. i know in reality there is probably very little of that going on with a putt but still. thats the only reason i keep coming back to prov, there are cheaper better balls that have all the same or even better characteristics but none of them match the feel on chips and putts for me and while its not even close to balata its the best from the bunch for me and i do this pretty much every season, buy a bunch of sleeves of different models of different brands to try. with modern technology, materials and manufacturing i believe they can create a high quality, tight tolerance and high durability balata but they wont because people gone crazy over distance, straight flight and steep descent dropping for control. But i absolutely hated putting with them - felt like slapping a dead fish ;-) too soft for my liking when putting ( detest the Odyssey inserts etc). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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