Chanaa Posted September 11, 2013 Report Share Posted September 11, 2013 anyone come across these ? are these forged in JP ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swing981 Posted September 11, 2013 Report Share Posted September 11, 2013 give us more info pls Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mjr. D Posted September 12, 2013 Report Share Posted September 12, 2013 Ya, more info please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coops1967 Posted September 12, 2013 Report Share Posted September 12, 2013 Not possible to forge a golf clubhead when cold. Sounds like a bullsh1t marketing term for some final stamping or the like - just as the old TM clubs that were 'coin forged' which is equally misleading and was pretty much the end for the stream of dodgy language mangling/ abusing terms like 'form forged' etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayDM Posted September 12, 2013 Report Share Posted September 12, 2013 Not possible to forge a golf clubhead when cold. Sounds like a bullsh1t marketing term for some final stamping or the like - just as the old TM clubs that were 'coin forged' which is equally misleading and was pretty much the end for the stream of dodgy language mangling/ abusing terms like 'form forged' etc. Cold Forged is a valid term, it refers to the temperature the metal is forged at, if its below 30% of the recrystallization temperature then its classified as "cold forged". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chanaa Posted September 12, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 12, 2013 i believe titleist is coming out with a cold forged wedge. Will post a pic when i get back. Dont know much about the process but its possible as JayDM mentioned. http://www.chikuma-s.co.jp/english/cold-forging/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coops1967 Posted September 12, 2013 Report Share Posted September 12, 2013 Interesting. What are the claimed benefits? seems there are issues with the material wprk hardening due to the lower temps. Here's a link to a more english based info http://www.qcforge.net/Page.aspx/93/Cold_Warm_Hot.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gocchin Posted September 12, 2013 Report Share Posted September 12, 2013 The new Cold Forged Vokey's will be a limited edition for Japan only. They use the cold forging process and feature a more compact head over the original vokey forged. They will be released late October with lofts of 46 degrees , 48 degrees , 50 degrees , 52 degrees , 54 degrees , 56 degrees , 58 degrees , 60 degrees , 62 degrees each featuring varying grinds. In total there will be 4 grinds, F Sole, R Sole, S Sole and K Sole. As we all know the previous model was forged at Endo but being cold forged this most likely is not. We will find out where it is made. A lot of the DAT55 drivers in Japan were/are cold forged but I haven't really seen any irons/wedges. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coops1967 Posted September 13, 2013 Report Share Posted September 13, 2013 Cold forging a driver face is different from forging a full iron clubhead from a billet. Cold forging a thin sheet of driver face ( maybe with a small amount of 'cup' to it ) which is then welded/ brazed to the other driver head components... sure, and the far smaller angles involved minimise any work hardening issues. Compare that to forging a wedgenhead with hosel and its many much sharper angles. Are they claiming to forge the wedge from billet to head cold? Forgive my cynicism, but notice cold forging is noted as being cheaper in manufacture... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gocchin Posted September 13, 2013 Report Share Posted September 13, 2013 Coops no idea yet as they haven't given much info except for the announcement of the product release. Definitely an iron/wedge manufacturing is completely different from a driver, whether cold forged or not. We'll wait and see as more details come out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayDM Posted September 13, 2013 Report Share Posted September 13, 2013 Cold forging a driver face is different from forging a full iron clubhead from a billet. Cold forging a thin sheet of driver face ( maybe with a small amount of 'cup' to it ) which is then welded/ brazed to the other driver head components... sure, and the far smaller angles involved minimise any work hardening issues. Compare that to forging a wedgenhead with hosel and its many much sharper angles. Are they claiming to forge the wedge from billet to head cold? Forgive my cynicism, but notice cold forging is noted as being cheaper in manufacture... I highly doubt there are any real "benefits" to cold forging an iron/wedge head, I would assume it turns out a product of similar quality and feel to any other forging technique, there is such a small amount of actual forging going on when manufacturing an iron/wedge(couple of power hammer strikes) that something like this probably makes little difference except in marketing speak. Could be wrong as I'm by no means an expert on the club manufacturing industry. That said Titleist doesn't make a bad wedge so I also doubt that this one will be a poor product. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supo Posted September 13, 2013 Report Share Posted September 13, 2013 yea the forged vokeys are a pretty forgiving but also a very versatile wedge nice grind to them and a lovely feel. if i had one complaint or rather criticism of it . (and i dont really ) but if i had to say :bob this cud be done to improve it... , and rememebring in bobs own voice he clearly says there IS NO perfect wedge , its just the one that suts the user the best... id have said its just a bit on the thin larger side. a slightyl smaller thicker one wud have maybe been well. this one?????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayDM Posted September 13, 2013 Report Share Posted September 13, 2013 yea the forged vokeys are a pretty forgiving but also a very versatile wedge nice grind to them and a lovely feel. if i had one complaint or rather criticism of it . (and i dont really ) but if i had to say :bob this cud be done to improve it... , and rememebring in bobs own voice he clearly says there IS NO perfect wedge , its just the one that suts the user the best... id have said its just a bit on the thin larger side. a slightyl smaller thicker one wud have maybe been well. this one?????? Agree, a bit smaller an they would improve a lot in my eyes, even just more of a teardrop shape with a shorter toe and thinner top line would make them more of an option for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+TourSpecGolfer Posted September 13, 2013 Report Share Posted September 13, 2013 I think cold forged is for marketing purposes, If it's no longer made at Endo it's probably because they are expensive compared to other manufactures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayDM Posted September 13, 2013 Report Share Posted September 13, 2013 I think cold forged is for marketing purposes, If it's no longer made at Endo it's probably because they are expensive compared to other manufactures. Seems downright foolish if they've moved forging PURELY to cut costs, lord knows they sold enough of the original Vokey Forged model at a fairly high price point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+TourSpecGolfer Posted September 14, 2013 Report Share Posted September 14, 2013 Seems downright foolish if they've moved forging PURELY to cut costs, lord knows they sold enough of the original Vokey Forged model at a fairly high price point. Your so right about the Vokey Forged, I personally always wanted it smaller as I like compact wedges. It's unfortunate that these aren't S20 Forged by Endo but I'm almost positive these will sell like hot cakes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baddmnkey Posted September 16, 2013 Report Share Posted September 16, 2013 The current forged vokey wedges are my favorite to date. I better stock up, not Supo like, just another back up set :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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