idrive Posted May 28, 2014 Report Share Posted May 28, 2014 Have to admit I'm struggling with this one. I'm huge on feel... if it doesn't feel good I don't really care if the performance is just slightly better. This one... is going to have to feel beyond amazing as well as a very large, very noticeable performance gain in both distance and dispersion. I'm not kidding anyone when I say I have my doubts the gains (if any) will warrant the price. Standing by.......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duffer19 Posted May 28, 2014 Report Share Posted May 28, 2014 (edited) J, since this is a fully custom shaft, you would have to include one or two business class tickets or (first in your case) from the west coast to Tokyo plus 3 days stay at The Peninsula for a proper fitting. The total cost could add up. : ( Edited May 28, 2014 by Duffer19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supo Posted May 28, 2014 Report Share Posted May 28, 2014 and a game at eagle point, that can.................., be arranged. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supo Posted May 28, 2014 Report Share Posted May 28, 2014 the attraction to me o nthis is............. it really is a custom , persoanilsed shaft. that (as far as i know, or heard frrom very trusted peops) is light years superior to anything else. and stronger ............. than everyting else. to me......................... if iget this built exaclty like im looking to do, then it SHUD by reason be the most suited, perfect engine i can get. therefore i can oust all my "other shafts" and be calm as a hindu cow when i step on the tee. anyway im going in regardless. this is the ultimate ho show for me. as im a suh a shaft lover. this immediatly grabbed me. icant resist this. so if anyone wants some shafts . and u know what ive got drop me a pm. il happily part with a few to grab one of these Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIduffer Posted May 28, 2014 Report Share Posted May 28, 2014 Agree with iDrive. If this were the first shaft I went into, I could see doing it at the low end as we have all spent plenty of coin trying different shafts. So this might be a tad cheaper. What I am not sure of is if the second and third shaft gets cheaper as you are not going throughout the whole process again. Also what confuses me is the shaft/head interaction. Same player, same shaft different head will get different results. Potentially, one good and one bad head. Change the shaft in the bad head and it might become the new top dog. How does this reconcile to having a single shaft that is ideal, or as was described 3 options for varying levels of control vs distance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supo Posted May 28, 2014 Report Share Posted May 28, 2014 Hitting as many heads as we do shudmgive us a pretty good idea of what works best. And as. U test with a callawayblack and a mcgregor u get a pretty good ide of differetn head characteritics and shapes . I hated the mcgregor didnt mind the callaway which makesmsense bec ive been a huge fan of the callaway erc 3 previous . So this didnt feel that different when ihit it Im still deciding on heads but the25buck kasco e340 is right up there at the top of the list so far. That thing is great so is the erc3 the ryoma d1 and the justick Im not finisehd yet its a big decision Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+TourSpecGolfer Posted May 28, 2014 Report Share Posted May 28, 2014 I would say wait for the write up before making judgements. - They use their own SD heads, but suggest if you have a head you are in love with and will play for some time please bring that. This is not the type of shaft you want to pull and put into other heads, It is designed with your gamer head calculations baked in. - TSG can will offer the 1800 msrp shaft because the others require a fitting in person and lots of waiting. The 1800 is a more user friendly and less dedicated design that can be sold shaft only to only certain clubmakers through TSG. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donzelly Posted May 28, 2014 Report Share Posted May 28, 2014 I can't wait to read the write up. This is going to be very interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mjr. D Posted May 28, 2014 Report Share Posted May 28, 2014 This goes far beyond golf performance. I personally couldn't care less if everyone on this forum bought their $120,000 shaft. People pay 50 million for art that looks like a third grader painted but I think expecting to notice price warranted improvement with a $1800 shaft or... $120,000 shaft is quite frankly, ridiculous. Hobby, fun, intrigue... I get it. It's supposed to be fun and if we have the means, then why not. Go for it! However, if you actually want to play better golf, I'm pretty confident $1800-$120,000 on some serious lessons with Butch Harmon will take your game further. I've tried everything from "made for" crap (I've had my ass kicked by many 5HC golfers using made for shafts) to $1000 80T stuff and personally I think once you get to the $300 mark, you're in the top 98% of price/performance ratio. For example, the Diamana Ahina performs as well as any shaft I've ever hit. A $300 shaft does the job for the best on this planet (PGA)... it's most likely good enough for us. Again, though, it's not nearly as exciting, prestigious, interesting, as owning a $1000+ shaft. I get it and again, if you have the means, go for it. Enjoy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIduffer Posted May 28, 2014 Report Share Posted May 28, 2014 - They use their own SD heads, but suggest if you have a head you are in love with and will play for some time please bring that. This is not the type of shaft you want to pull and put into other heads, It is designed with your gamer head calculations baked in. So for someone like Stew that use different heads for different conditions, low with rollout at Longy(I believe) to high bombers with limited rollout for the wet lush courses, would need to go through multiple fittings based on the different heads? Not poo poo'ing just trying to understand the process and expectations of performance. As to Mjr. D. and iDrive, while I agree with iDrive's comment that the perf improvement needs to be significant for me to justify the cost, I do not fault anyone for having a different price/performance mark than I do. Many of the hobbies I have been involved in, think audiophillia, has a similar characteristic. I will not spend 100k on a set of speakers but understand those that do. What I consider a modest price for incremental gain is a huge leap for someone that doesn't care about it. If you have it, spend it on what you want and enjoy. If it doesn't do anything performance wise and only bolsters your ego for having the most expensive item, have at it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akapur Posted May 28, 2014 Report Share Posted May 28, 2014 (edited) So for someone like Stew that use different heads for different conditions, low with rollout at Longy(I believe) to high bombers with limited rollout for the wet lush courses, would need to go through multiple fittings based on the different heads? Not poo poo'ing just trying to understand the process and expectations of performance. As to Mjr. D. and iDrive, while I agree with iDrive's comment that the perf improvement needs to be significant for me to justify the cost, I do not fault anyone for having a different price/performance mark than I do. Many of the hobbies I have been involved in, think audiophillia, has a similar characteristic. I will not spend 100k on a set of speakers but understand those that do. What I consider a modest price for incremental gain is a huge leap for someone that doesn't care about it. If you have it, spend it on what you want and enjoy. If it doesn't do anything performance wise and only bolsters your ego for having the most expensive item, have at it... Finding something in golf that improves performence and your score is what we are all after. What we as the consumer must decide is whether the cost is justified by the increase in performence. While I can't see myself purchasing a shaft for 2000+ dollars, I have no issue with those that can. Most of my playing partners could never justifiy purchasing a driver for a thousand or more dollars when they can go to the big box store and get one for a couple of hundred dollars. But I find the performence increase to be worth the cost. I also enjoy having something others I know don't have. So for Stew and others that are getting these shats I say " Hooray" I hope you enjoy what you have purchased and that it brings you what you are looking for. Edited May 28, 2014 by akapur Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+TourSpecGolfer Posted May 28, 2014 Report Share Posted May 28, 2014 Very interesting comments guys. let's flip this around, what if this $2000 shaft was mass produced of the same exact materials and technology of much less expensive shafts yet it came with a prestigious name and brand image? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIduffer Posted May 28, 2014 Report Share Posted May 28, 2014 I don't necessarily think the technology or name recognition is at issue. At least for me, it is solely a price point thing. While I have spent more on golf equipment than I thought I would, the biggest ticket item for an singular thing is the Epon Zen. Irons are more expensive but those are not singular and involve several "components" to their price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idrive Posted May 29, 2014 Report Share Posted May 29, 2014 (edited) Very interesting comments guys. let's flip this around, what if this $2000 shaft was mass produced of the same exact materials and technology of much less expensive shafts yet it came with a prestigious name and brand image? I wouldn't buy it. Name and or brand recognition means nothing to the guys I play with. There are only a select few who would ever know the difference and I have to fly across the Ocean to play golf with them. Still not convinced they would be impressed..... Maybe if I drove the ball way past them and was in the fairway every time. Edited May 29, 2014 by idrive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deion Posted May 29, 2014 Report Share Posted May 29, 2014 This goes far beyond golf performance. I personally couldn't care less if everyone on this forum bought their $120,000 shaft. People pay 50 million for art that looks like a third grader painted but I think expecting to notice price warranted improvement with a $1800 shaft or... $120,000 shaft is quite frankly, ridiculous. Hobby, fun, intrigue... I get it. It's supposed to be fun and if we have the means, then why not. Go for it! However, if you actually want to play better golf, I'm pretty confident $1800-$120,000 on some serious lessons with Butch Harmon will take your game further. I've tried everything from "made for" crap (I've had my ass kicked by many 5HC golfers using made for shafts) to $1000 80T stuff and personally I think once you get to the $300 mark, you're in the top 98% of price/performance ratio. For example, the Diamana Ahina performs as well as any shaft I've ever hit. A $300 shaft does the job for the best on this planet (PGA)... it's most likely good enough for us. Again, though, it's not nearly as exciting, prestigious, interesting, as owning a $1000+ shaft. I get it and again, if you have the means, go for it. Enjoy! I tend to agree with your view....$120,000 in terms of good golf lessons will surely improve your game much more than $120,000 equipments. Anyway price and affordability is relative to each person and if a person can afford it...y not... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mjr. D Posted May 29, 2014 Report Share Posted May 29, 2014 I agree. I couldn't care less what people want to spend their money on. I actually love interesting people who have passion for unique things, both material and non material. My only point is that I wouldn't suggest your MAIN reason for purchase, be performance (having something totally unique, exotic, curiosity factor, etc) is prob a better motivation for purchase) gains or you'll prob be disappointed as it's pretty difficult for a shaft's performance to justify a 6 figure price tag. With that being said, to some, 6 figures is 6 dollars (to others), so yes, have at er! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+TourSpecGolfer Posted July 9, 2014 Report Share Posted July 9, 2014 We are offering these soon to the forum members. The process is unique: http://golf.sevendreamers.com/ Matrix Design Series - $1200 There are 54 types of shafts in this series. To give you an idea of how it works: Step 1: email [email protected] requesting more info Step 2: TSG gives you a call to go over 16 questions Step 3: We submit the info to SD in Japan Step 4: SD responds with 3 shaft proposals from the 54 in the Matrix Series, Distance/Control/Blend of Both Step 5: SD builds your combo and we ship it to you FYI these are not normal shafts, I will be going into it deeper in a blog post soon but with other shaft brands after it is rolled they wrap it in shrinkage tape and apply big pressure to round the shaft, then they cure it in a oven under atmospheric pressure, then they grind and polish to remove the shrinkage tape but also to further round specification, then they paint the shaft which applies weight to the carbon. SD - They actually use a metal mold, your shaft is perfectly round, no question. They use a giant autoclave for curing, there is no grinding or polish to make round, there is no paint to add unnecessary weight. It's not just about having the most round shaft but also the design principle of the shaft, SD has a mathematical approach combined with human touch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpbachman Posted July 9, 2014 Report Share Posted July 9, 2014 Chris, I am very excited for SD, I can't wait to see how they perform and stack up against other premium shafts. Looking forward to the release! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoutout33 Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 (edited) Here's my .02 cents on this. I have no money...yet ;p, but I'd want to try this. Why? As some of the guys have mentioned before, because of fascination and intrigue. I think it is so cool to see the process, that goes into making this shaft. Now, for what it's worth, I'm referring the $1800-$2000 shafts. Spending over $100,000+ for a personal customized shaft like this is a bit daunting, even for my wanna-be-rich tastes. I'd literally have to have $50 million in the bank, with everything else I wanted first, before I even BEGAN to pull the trigger on this caliber of shaft fitting/premium shaft. This one Is this a bit much, for me, even if I had the money...yeah. However, and you guys who already own a lot of JDM stuff, may think I'm wrong here (and I might be...), JDM drivers are nothing to scoff at either. I mean, I'd plunk down $2,000 on some custom Buchi irons and I know that I can't get them as components, which is a big big deal for me! But man, $1,000+ for a driver?!?!?!?!?! For the head alone at that! Hell, I can give my specs to Kamui Works and tell them what I want in my driver head, and they cost less! Yeah, I'm in the $600'ish range, but it justifies the price...to me. Again, this is how Daris see's it from HIS point of view. I'd really love to hear Supo's story once he's gotten things started. Think you could do a video journal of your experiences Supo and share them with the class? Just sayin'. ;p Again, I'm interested, intrigued, not to mention anxious to read Tario's write up of this company and everything pertaining to the production of these shafts in both price ranges. Even more excited to see someone blessed enough to take one for the team to give a try and hear about his journey(s)! Don't know if I made any sense with this post or not, but I hope someone understands what I'm trying to say here. Oh snap! Forgot to ask you something Chris. Can you all make a suggestion of what will work based on the shafts specs you are using or plan to get? For example, I know for a fact, that the Nippon Regio 65, is what works best for me right now. Based on what TSG is trying to do, could it be done like this or is there a lot more to it? I'm referring the non-custom shafts you will offering below $2,000. Edited July 10, 2014 by shoutout33 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supo Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 im still a way off on this right now im basically not 100% on what head to use. spoken with them a lot and have al the specs laid out perfectly but not sure if ,what i wana actually do yet il get one but not yet pretty sure others will go before me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+TourSpecGolfer Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 The 100k + shaft is wall art and not for use, it's a one off metal mold and a type of carbon only used in satellites. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauvanilla Posted July 11, 2014 Report Share Posted July 11, 2014 I think it is pretty cool cutting edge stuff, I would consider for a special combo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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