Ian-500 Posted August 7, 2014 Report Share Posted August 7, 2014 I need help. Yes I know I should go for some lessons but I just can't afford them right now, and they may not work anyway, so.........just had a quick blast on trackman, and my Tourstage MR-23 6i is giving me 7000 - 7500rpm. It has a DGS400. I've been told that you should times the club head number by 1000 and then minus 10%. So in theory we should all have our 6 irons spinning at around 5400rpm. I tried a bunch of 6i with various graphite and steel, and the rpm was no lower than 6300, but went up to 8400 with an Veylix graphite shaft!!! There's many shafts I haven't tried but do you have any experience with trying to acheive a lower rpm from your clubs and what was the outcome? Any shafts (graphite or steel) that you can recommend to lower spin? My 6i SS was between 87mph and 92mph. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eca Posted August 7, 2014 Report Share Posted August 7, 2014 Are you ballooning & losing distance Ian? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiromikey Posted August 7, 2014 Report Share Posted August 7, 2014 This is one of the reasons I went to C-Tapers... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpbachman Posted August 7, 2014 Report Share Posted August 7, 2014 When I played regular C-Tapers, they DEFINITELY brought down the flight and it was absolutely less spin and more penetrating (for my game, I need a little height in my irons). The C-Taper Lites feel better (IMO) but they do spin more and are less penetrating in the wind (so far - only 1.5 weeks with them). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
golfer75 Posted August 7, 2014 Report Share Posted August 7, 2014 This is one of the reasons I went to C-Tapers... +1 on the C-Tapers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian-500 Posted August 7, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 7, 2014 Are you ballooning & losing distance Ian? Possibly both!?! I'm not too experienced with the technical side of golf, but I'd guess the ball must be close to 'ballooning' with the spin I put on it, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian-500 Posted August 7, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 7, 2014 This is one of the reasons I went to C-Tapers... 3 people can't be far wrong. I'll have to give these a go. Any model in particular or try as many C-Tapers as poss? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiromikey Posted August 7, 2014 Report Share Posted August 7, 2014 3 people can't be far wrong. I'll have to give these a go. Any model in particular or try as many C-Tapers as poss? The original C-Tapers. The C-Taper Lite actually specs as a lighter KBS Tour with a C-Taper finish so stay away from those if you're trying to reduce spin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpbachman Posted August 7, 2014 Report Share Posted August 7, 2014 I agree with chiromikey. The C-Taper Lites add spin for me and balloon more. Be aware, the C-Tapers have a VERY unique feel to them. I believe the Adams Idea CMB irons have the C-Tapers as the stock shafts, so might be worth just grabbing a demo off a shelf at a big box store and giving it a swing on a LM to see if the shaft feels right to you? (http://www.adamsgolf.com/products/irons/cmb.php?utm_campaign=bazaarvoice&utm_medium=SearchVoice&utm_source=RatingsAndReviews&utm_content=Default#) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiromikey Posted August 7, 2014 Report Share Posted August 7, 2014 "Unique feel" is mpbachman's polite way to say if you don't hit them flush they feel like CRAP! ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpbachman Posted August 7, 2014 Report Share Posted August 7, 2014 Exactly :) The C-Taper Lites have such a better feel to them, just too bad they spin that much more. The regular C-Tapers will make your teeth rattle on mis*its :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiromikey Posted August 7, 2014 Report Share Posted August 7, 2014 I also dropped down a half flex (from s to r+) in the C-Tapers and am very happy with the results. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpbachman Posted August 7, 2014 Report Share Posted August 7, 2014 Very smart move. The stiffs are definitely stiff... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbeaz Posted August 7, 2014 Report Share Posted August 7, 2014 A great alternative is KBS Tour-V. I couldn't get along with the C-Tapers because of spin issues. The Tour-V's are light weight and really took the spin off. Is your s400 Tour Issue? It's surprising you hitting that shaft high and spinny. I played that shaft for years. Very stout and low launching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpbachman Posted August 7, 2014 Report Share Posted August 7, 2014 sbeaz, does the KBS Tour-V feel very similar to the regular KBS Tour? Same flight, just a little more mid-stiff to knock down the spin? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akapur Posted August 7, 2014 Report Share Posted August 7, 2014 I played both the C-tapers and V-tours. I like the V-tours better. For me the V-tours brought all the numbers in line for me and felt great at impact. My spin was down slightly with the V-tours compared with the C-tapers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbeaz Posted August 7, 2014 Report Share Posted August 7, 2014 sbeaz, does the KBS Tour-V feel very similar to the regular KBS Tour? Same flight, just a little more mid-stiff to knock down the spin? M, yes. I actually think they feel a little better, but I tend to like feedback. They knock off a lot of spin as compared to the regular tour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eca Posted August 7, 2014 Report Share Posted August 7, 2014 (edited) Possibly both!?! I'm not too experienced with the technical side of golf, but I'd guess the ball must be close to 'ballooning' with the spin I put on it, right? +1 on C taper in the right flex if you are ballooning & losing distance but I would base it more on real world outcome Ian. If you are getting around 180y & traj is good then spin can help you go strsight, long carry less roll less trouble :) Edited August 7, 2014 by Eca Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duffer19 Posted August 8, 2014 Report Share Posted August 8, 2014 Ian, are you talking indoor use of trackman off mat? Forget about indoor range and use a outdoor grass range to test for actual result. Can't base everything on indoor mat range. Go out a play a round and see whether your club would balloon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1dirtypanda Posted August 8, 2014 Report Share Posted August 8, 2014 i had a set of miura 501s with ctapers in stiff flex. i really liked the feel (yes, unique) and they were really low penetrating flight. only problem was getting them to stop on the greens especially on long irons like 4-5 irons into long par 3s. basically not enough spin to hold. i may try them again after the season is done. just can't figure out which stiffness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomcat Posted August 8, 2014 Report Share Posted August 8, 2014 Am I the only one thinking the problem might just be the swing??? he had the same issue with different shafts. Ian, do you remember the other trackman data? launch angle, attack angle, dynami loft and spin loft? Isn't your swingplan just too steep? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nobmontana Posted August 8, 2014 Report Share Posted August 8, 2014 (edited) Am I the only one thinking the problem might just be the swing??? he had the same issue with different shafts. Ian, do you remember the other trackman data? launch angle, attack angle, dynami loft and spin loft? Isn't your swingplan just too steep? I kinda agree to Tomcat's idea here as dg s400 is a lower launching shaft. Also wondering about your SS. Not sure if you have access to a Mizuno fitting system at your shop. At your 6 iron SS, the recommendation for shaft flex will come out as like kbs tour x flex soft stepped one etc... I was at 89 mph last year ( this year down to around 85 :( ... ) and it was considered in between S and X for several different shafts. Also, Mizuno's fit system takes into account swing tempo and release timing along with other parameters so you could potentially end up in a whole different territory in terms of shaft flex. Edited August 8, 2014 by nobmontana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miuramaniac Posted August 8, 2014 Report Share Posted August 8, 2014 If you're considering graphite, I would strongly suggest the money you would use on those and get a lesson or 2. You'll be happier long-term IMO. That much spin with DG shafts only really happen if the shaft is too soft for you or you're coming in awfully steep. IDK if anything will be, or even SHOULD be, THAT much lower-spinning than DG. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1dirtypanda Posted August 9, 2014 Report Share Posted August 9, 2014 I kinda agree to Tomcat's idea here as dg s400 is a lower launching shaft. Also wondering about your SS. Not sure if you have access to a Mizuno fitting system at your shop. At your 6 iron SS, the recommendation for shaft flex will come out as like kbs tour x flex soft stepped one etc... I was at 89 mph last year ( this year down to around 85 :( ... ) and it was considered in between S and X for several different shafts. Also, Mizuno's fit system takes into account swing tempo and release timing along with other parameters so you could potentially end up in a whole different territory in terms of shaft flex. Well he did say he didn't want to do lessons. ;) I think 1) lessons or 2) go get a full fitting done. It's not always just about swing speed but could be transition or if you're a hitter vs swinger. Shallow vs deep. Etc. Lessons will take longer to implmenet the adjustment/changes. Fitting will tell you what you should get with the swing you have today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
potuna Posted August 12, 2014 Report Share Posted August 12, 2014 I also dropped down a half flex (from s to r+) in the C-Tapers and am very happy with the results. Plus another one. I normally play stiff and tried r+ as they do play stiff to flex. I actually found stiff soft stepped once to be better for me, feel to me is fine, not rebar like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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