mpuk Posted October 7, 2014 Report Share Posted October 7, 2014 Hey all, Being new to JDM and in true ho style, I am building a nice collection. My latest purchases are an original Quadra Fire Express 75 X and a Quadra Max WBQ 75 X. I tried the new Quadra TP-V 75 S and the flex wasn't right for me. While I haven't ruled it out totally in an X, I thought I would go with tried and trusted first. This is where you guys come in, please share any experience you have with these shafts. I still have to decide what goes where as I have the following driver heads to choose from; * Epon Zero * Modart D 10* * JBEAM 535 11*. Thanks in advance and if you are going out today, good luck, it is dangerous out there ;) Matthew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nobmontana Posted October 7, 2014 Report Share Posted October 7, 2014 I have tried both. the original FEX in 75 S and I currently have a Max WBQ in 75 SX My driver swing speed is between 105 to 110mph Mid tempo Smooth transition. I felt the 75 S was a bit soft for me. Though with a controlled swing, I could get it out there. Mid launch . low spin. Very nice feel. The WBQ in 75 SX is perfect for me. Think of this as the slightly forgiving version of the original. The original was definitely more anti-left for me. WBQ allows me to draw without too much effort. But don't get me wrong, WBQ is in no way a hooking machine. WBQ I would classify as Mid to High launch low spinning shaft. My Max WBQ has been in a few different heads. First with the P-tune PG313, then an Epon AF103 then a Zero.... Now it is sitting idle between heads but may go into a Tourstage P02-6 head currently paired with a Diamana 10th Anni. Oh and I have tried the Proto in 75 X at one time in an Epon Zero. Was absolutely too much shaft for me. On a side note, I am currently gaming the Waccine GR-77 S in a MP Craft 425 head and it is producing some great controlled drives. If you have enough oomph, the Waccine GR77 or GR88 , I feel they are the most stable shafts out in the market today. A bit more stout than the indicated flex but you can get mid to low launch, ultra low spin with these Waccine shafts. Waccine are definitely very anti-left Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpuk Posted October 7, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 7, 2014 Excellent write up. Thank you. How did you find the WBQ in the Zero compared to the Epon 103 ? I also have an Epon 103 9.5* but I find that too low launching so it is up for sale. So to conclude, the Max WBQ launches higher than the original FEX ? The WBQ should be easier to turn over too ? That's interesting as I would have thought it would have been the other way around as the WBQ as a reinforced tip section. That changes my plan, I will try the Original FEX in the JBEAM 535 now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIduffer Posted October 8, 2014 Report Share Posted October 8, 2014 Excellent write up. Thank you. How did you find the WBQ in the Zero compared to the Epon 103 ? I also have an Epon 103 9.5* but I find that too low launching so it is up for sale. So to conclude, the Max WBQ launches higher than the original FEX ? The WBQ should be easier to turn over too ? That's interesting as I would have thought it would have been the other way around as the WBQ as a reinforced tip section. That changes my plan, I will try the Original FEX in the JBEAM 535 now. Wow, surprised you find the 103 too low, but are hanging on to the Zero. That would seem backward to me. I would agree with Nob that the Quadra in X for the driver shafts is a larger jump in stoutness from SX or S compared to other brands. Cannot comment on the Waccine. I very much enjoy all of my Quadra driver shafts in 75 SX, none are hook machines but can move them various directions and control trajectory. Think the biggest difference between Proto, Original and WBQ is how you feel the loading and unloading. Trajectory is more about head shaft pairing than specific shaft design, even though I know they tune the kick points... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpuk Posted October 8, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2014 I found the Epon 103 9.5* even with a Motore Speeder 6.3 TS Stiff (253 cpm) to be lower launch than the Epon with a Motore Speeder 7.3 TS Stiff (260cpm). This was on a launch monitor. I concluded from this that difference was because the Epon 103 was 9.5* and the Epon Zero 10.5*. The only other difference is that the Epon 103 is D6 while the Epon Zero is D5. I love the look of the Epon 103 so you guys have me thinking that I will give it one last try, this time with the Quadra Max WBQ 75 X. The order is being shipped so hopefully will arrive this week, I can them get them built at the weekend and review them next week. So going with the following, all D5 and 45"; 1. Epon 103 9.5* & Quadra Max WBQ 75 X 2. Modart D 10* & Crazy Noir CB80 LS 7.4 3. Epon Zero & Motore Speeder 7.3 TS Stiff 4. Jbeam 535 11* & Quadra FEX 75 X. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daamartin Posted October 8, 2014 Report Share Posted October 8, 2014 Wow that's some serious kit! Looking fwd to this one. Have fun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIduffer Posted October 8, 2014 Report Share Posted October 8, 2014 I found the Epon 103 9.5* even with a Motore Speeder 6.3 TS Stiff (253 cpm) to be lower launch than the Epon with a Motore Speeder 7.3 TS Stiff (260cpm). This was on a launch monitor. I concluded from this that difference was because the Epon 103 was 9.5* and the Epon Zero 10.5*. The only other difference is that the Epon 103 is D6 while the Epon Zero is D5. I love the look of the Epon 103 so you guys have me thinking that I will give it one last try, this time with the Quadra Max WBQ 75 X. The order is being shipped so hopefully will arrive this week, I can them get them built at the weekend and review them next week. So going with the following, all D5 and 45"; 1. Epon 103 9.5* & Quadra Max WBQ 75 X 2. Modart D 10* & Crazy Noir CB80 LS 7.4 3. Epon Zero & Motore Speeder 7.3 TS Stiff 4. Jbeam 535 11* & Quadra FEX 75 X. Surprised to see a Crazy 7.4 considering the two Quadra X flex. I have found the Quadra to be minimally equivalent to an 8 on the Crazy scale. Am curious to hear how controllable the Modart is comparatively. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpuk Posted October 8, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2014 I thought a Crazy 7.4 was the equivalent to a Quadra X, both accommodate a swing upto 110mph ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIduffer Posted October 8, 2014 Report Share Posted October 8, 2014 I have switched to the SX flex in general from X, some brands still play an X. In Crazy shafts I play a 7.7 in the driver and still have a couple of 8.2 in some FWs. I find them just right on the flex scale. Quadra, are similar the 75SX is a good fit for me and have a similar SS to you. My tempo is more fluid with a smooth transition. If you have an aggressive transition I could see it needing to be stiffer. If you already have it bought, paid for and built give it a crack as much of this stuff is subjective. I am not trying to scare you as I know that FEX 75X came from me, but it seems a wide range of flexes and profiles in your list. That is a good thing to do when you are learning what you like, so take my comments with an appropriate number if salt grains... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpuk Posted October 8, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2014 Fellas, Really appreciate all your advice, keep it coming. Any and all is very much appreciated. I play D5 Swing Weight so that softens the club up a bit too and my transition is slightly aggressive so sounds like the X will be just perfect. I might have to rethink the 7.4 Crazy but I like buying and trying as much as playing so the ho in me will be keen to try the slightly heavier Crazy Noir CB80 LS W in 7.7 if the one I have doesn't work out. Other shafts on my must try are the Waccine GR77 SX and BangVoo 787 X. Thanks again Matthew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nobmontana Posted October 9, 2014 Report Share Posted October 9, 2014 Excellent write up. Thank you. How did you find the WBQ in the Zero compared to the Epon 103 ? I also have an Epon 103 9.5* but I find that too low launching so it is up for sale. So to conclude, the Max WBQ launches higher than the original FEX ? The WBQ should be easier to turn over too ? That's interesting as I would have thought it would have been the other way around as the WBQ as a reinforced tip section. That changes my plan, I will try the Original FEX in the JBEAM 535 now. WBQ in the Zero was fine. If I hit the sweet spot... that is . I just didn't have enough consistency to game it. With the 103, I really tried to like it, but at the end I think my particular head had an open face angle and I could not stop it from slicing.... I knew the slicing came from the head as I have had enormous success in using this shaft in a more neutral face head never having to worry about slices. Not sure if the WBQ is easier to turn the head.... I think that has to do more with the weight distribution of the head itself. Hope your test with the JBeam and FEx go well!! :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wedda Posted October 16, 2016 Report Share Posted October 16, 2016 mpuk so what shaft do you like the most after trying them? THe WBQ and the FEX? =) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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