Posted March 31, 200420 yr comment_32043 Hey guys I dont post often but I have a question. What do you think of the Tour Taylor Made Lehman grinds? Do you think they are a good head and why. I have heard that the are the best thing since sliced bread. They have all of the looks of a players club yet they are cb's and they are Muira forged to bot. I love the old school square toe look. I wasnt sure abou all the hype. You know, "the flavor of the month." Is it just hype or is it truth? Are they as good as they are hyped???
March 31, 200420 yr comment_32060 they are the flavor of the month.... They are nice looking, but are they worth al the money... well i guess it depends on your economic situation... are they that much better than the retail 300's: well they look a little different... but a skilled grinder could do the same to a retail... then we get into the muria verse everyone else arguement... I have hit the Lehmans next to my 300's and couldn't tell the difference but hey I'm not on tour.
March 31, 200420 yr comment_32063 they are the flavor of the month....They are nice looking, but are they worth al the money... well i guess it depends on your economic situation... are they that much better than the retail 300's: well they look a little different... but  a skilled grinder could do the same to a retail... then we get into the muria verse everyone else arguement... I have hit the Lehmans next to my 300's and couldn't tell the difference but hey I'm not on tour. A skilled grinder couldnt make retail 300's have the same grind as Lehmans. There is more metal on the 300 forged tour heads to allow for grinding and so the weight will be good when the metal is taken off. If you ground retail 300s to be like lehmans u would need alot of lead to make them playable. The retail 300 forged are decent irons, but you can still smell the salsa on them cause they are forged in mexico. I find it very hard to beleive you cant tell the difference between tour miura 300 forged and retail 300 forged. The tour heads will also be dead on spec with 7 gram increments head to head so that no lead or weighting is needed to get the desired swingweight.
March 31, 200420 yr comment_32070 Exactly, the tour 300 heads will be dead on specs than retail heads. I got to fondle those $2285 Ebay Lehmans before sending it off to it's owner. Those cavity backs are more shallower than retail 300's, meaning there's more meat in those cavity along with different sole grind.
April 1, 200420 yr comment_32074 I agree with Pete - All depends on the $$$ you want to spend and the cool factor. Let's see even with my reshaft I only have about $475 into my irons. $2K for a set of irons - I would assume to just go full custom with a set of scratch.
April 1, 200420 yr comment_32075 I agree with Pete - All depends on the $$$ you want to spend and the cool factor. Â Let's see even with my reshaft I only have about $475 into my irons. $2K for a set of irons - I would assume to just go full custom with a set of scratch. Nothing against Scratch, they make GREAT clubs. But if you buy a 1500 dollar set of lehmans and you dont like them ... you can turn them around for $1500 pretty easy because of the popularity. If you buy a set of scratch for 1500 and you dont like its gonna be hard to turn them around for anything close to the price you paid.
April 1, 200420 yr comment_32079 Just some input here on the subject. I have for a while back owned (and compared) a retail 300, 300 Tour +2mm and 300 Tour TL Box Toes. Believe it or not, they all look DIFFERENT. The 300 Tour irons, as BR61 pointed out, do actually have more mass placed in the sole and lower cavity area of the club, and the topline of the tour sets are really thin and less meaty. On the retail 300 set, the mass was not as pronounced on the sole and lower cavity, and the topline was thicker and more meaty than the 300 Tours. The +2mm set had significantly more weight and mass in the lower toe area compared to the TL Box Toes, the difference was night and day. Once possible explanation would be that the added mass/weight in the toe of the +2mm would prevent the club from closing too fast, esp with the added offset. In fact the sole grinds on all 3 sets were also distinctly different, with the 300 retail having the widest sole, followed by the +2mm and then the TL Box Toes. Worth their value? Just ask yourself if your game has improved by playing the set.
April 1, 200420 yr Author comment_32080 Money isnt as important when it comes to my treasured set I have in play. As a matter of fact it isnt important at all. I would play a handstamped cameron if I felt that would help my game. As for the Lehmans. BR61 had those satins in his hands. Wow. Ive got Phillypete saying no way, no difference Ive got VokeyMan saying salsa and the benifits of Muira Then we have a what you could do with the money thing I would have a problem buying scratch or traditional blades made to order. There is something to say about playing heads that were meant to be played by the pros on the PGA. It gives me the feeling it is the best stuff money can buy. The 300 tour irons are getting soooooo much press. I wonder if they are going to last the test of time like the Firesole Forged has??? Are they that good?
April 1, 200420 yr comment_32110 O.K. for me it boils down to money. I saw pics of the satins 300's and agree they are sweet. I love my retail 300's and have not hit the 300 tours. $900 for tours - possible $2G's for tours = another fur coat for mama -and it is not going to happen this year. :cry:
April 1, 200420 yr Author comment_32117 Well when you put it that way I would have to agree. 2g for them I begin to have some issues. Not a lot but some. I guess I meant within reason money doesnt mater. Back to the question though... The 300 tour irons are getting soooooo much press. I wonder if they are going to last the test of time like the Firesole Forged has??? Are they that good?
April 1, 200420 yr comment_32129 They are nice irons, but in my opinion they are way over prised and over rated
April 1, 200420 yr comment_32140 Guys, to each their own, and whether the set of 300 Tours are worth the $ depends on whether your game has turned out better or not, and then again, if for the better, whether the $500 over a retail set is worth the 2 or 3 stroke cut on your handicap. Obviously we are seeing a sudden surge in price for these clubs now, driven obviously be the present demand for them. As to whether they will stand the test of time, I believe that the 300 Tours already rank up there, bearing in mind that this is a 2 year old set, and the RACs have been in the market for some time already.
April 1, 200420 yr comment_32208 The tour issue Taylormades are very nice clubs. There are a lot of other very nice clubs on the market. I play a set of custom ground Titleist 681s, and have an identical set in the closet for a backup. Its just a metter of taste. Play what you like to play and ignore the hype about one iron being better than another. Steve
April 1, 200420 yr comment_32237 The tour issue Taylormades are very nice clubs. Â There are a lot of other very nice clubs on the market. Â I play a set of custom ground Titleist 681s, and have an identical set in the closet for a backup. Â Its just a metter of taste. Â Play what you like to play and ignore the hype about one iron being better than another.Steve Are these complete sets?????????? ;sleeping
April 1, 200420 yr comment_32238 TM tour issues are good but overrated. I actually prefer the softer feel of my $310 used MP30s. Of course, if I were selling sets for upwards of $1500+, I would hype them, too...even though they might not be in the bag.
April 1, 200420 yr comment_32243 Obviously we are seeing a sudden surge in price for these clubs now, driven obviously be the present demand for them. Pretty ironic since Lehman hasn't won anything in years!!! :P
April 2, 200420 yr comment_32286 Well, JD won this year with a penley iron shafts in all his irons - are we seeing a surge in the demand for his irons and the penley iron shafts? Go figure!!! :lol: Obviously we are seeing a sudden surge in price for these clubs now, driven obviously be the present demand for them. Pretty ironic since Lehman hasn't won anything in years!!! :P
April 2, 200420 yr comment_32368 TM tour issues are good but overrated. I actually prefer the softer feel of my $310 used MP30s. Of course, if I were selling sets for upwards of $1500+, I would hype them, too...even though they might not be in the bag. Well put, and 100% accurate I'd say. :wink:
April 2, 200420 yr comment_32375 i think it all depends on what you want them for. if you want an expensive rare set of irons, go for it. nothing wrong with being a connoiseur. on the other hand, if you think you need them to play better, youre sadly mistaken.
April 2, 200420 yr comment_32383 well I had TM300s and switched to MP-33s. Tms were nice but i prefered the -33s and am on the 670s now. without a doubt, regardless of rarity or forging house, an over priced iron for me
April 2, 200420 yr comment_32409 Obviously we are seeing a sudden surge in price for these clubs now, driven obviously be the present demand for them. Pretty ironic since Lehman hasn't won anything in years!!! :P I wonder why is so damn pricey! :twisted: And I wonder how many sets out there were "made" ? :wink:
April 2, 200420 yr comment_32410 Obviously we are seeing a sudden surge in price for these clubs now, driven obviously be the present demand for them. Pretty ironic since Lehman hasn't won anything in years!!! :P I wonder why! :twisted: And I wonder how many sets out there were "made" ? :wink: I'd say that depends on who you consider a "manufacturer" Joe :D
April 2, 200420 yr Author comment_32423 I wonder why is so damn pricey! :twisted: Â And I wonder how many sets out there were "made" ? :wink: Joe, Have you seen these? Do you favor the design? The forging? Are they special or just hype because they are so hard to get? I do love the shape of the shorter heel to toe, and the boxey toe!
April 3, 200420 yr comment_32456 I wonder why is so damn pricey! :twisted: Â And I wonder how many sets out there were "made" ? :wink: Joe, Have you seen these? Do you favor the design? The forging? Are they special or just hype because they are so hard to get? I do love the shape of the shorter heel to toe, and the boxey toe! I have two sets here in my shop as i wrote this reply. They are as good as any good forging out there. Special? Maybe, depends how you look at it. Not to me at least! Hard to get!, Maybe, who knows tomorrow TM ask 3 ball or niblick again to throw it in the market. IMO there are a lot more club out there rarer than this. I do love the shape of the shorter heel to toe, and the boxey toe! Well If that is the case, try it if you are willing to pay for it and have the doug to burn it. This is exactly what you are describing. Just be carefull not to buy the one "MADE". Good luck! Joe :)
April 3, 200420 yr comment_32467 I am getting the impression some of these sets really aren't tour and have been grinded by some shop, rechromed and sold for big bucks?????
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